Hate preacher turned back from evacuation

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

Well for a start I am a hardworking and decent person who makes an effort to help out people in what limited way I can -

or so you see yourself... very magnamimous of you...

be sure to remind Omar of that when he advocates your murder and destruction of your way of life

you mean like your great great grandfathers did back in 1776, or there abouts...

ever hear the ole sticks and stones ditty... obviously not...

you sound like another victim of fear and predjudice... they look different... they believe in different values... lets get rid of em all...

tell me... what side of the sectarian violence were you on up there in Belfast and Ulster just a few years ago... what was your solution to that lil outbreak of 'terrorism'...

draw any parallels to what's happening in the middle east today...

this should be good...

--Mike

[jumpy]

what side of the sectarian violence were you on up there in Belfast and Ulster just a few years ago..

Well if you must know, the side which didn't believe in murder for one's religious beliefs; be they catholic or protestant.

or so you see yourself... very magnamimous of you...

you're quite arrogant, arn't you? :hmm:

I'm off home for the weekend now, but if you're still itching for an argument come monday morning, I'm sure I can find the time and oblige you with something suitably intollerant to your sense of ideals... tata now.

[STEED]

I don't want to see that mad sod back here, if he gets on a boat I hope they dump him in the sea.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

you're quite arrogant, arn't you?

it only seems that way to you because of your ignorance and lack of humanity...

anyone would justify the slaughter of innocents, for any reasons what soever,
surely must be the arrogant one...

--Mike

[tycho102]

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

so, in other words, we should take the moral low ground... right...
we should be just like the animals that we attest to be better than...

we over in the US had a guy, way back when, who said something about 'not agreeing with what you say, but defending to the last, your right to say it'...

We also had a guy who recognized Islam for what it is. He was fortunate enough to be physically distanced from it's mass -- a mass of which I would very much like to see him deal with, today, when continents are routinely seperated by 12 hours instead of 12 days.

As for the thread topic, I can only say this: Oh, Praise Allah!

[SUBMAN1]

Old adage - you reap what you sew

[Iceman]

Yep the Brits could have towed him a 1000ft behind in a dingy but that would have been tasking even the most charitable country.

What a loser trying to hitch a ride from a country he turned his back on.

[Yahoshua]

Hey red, if you don't care one way or the other then why exactly are you attacking evrybody for their opinion of this man when you state that you prefer to be oblivious to the situation?

And regarding Democracy: Democracy gives us freedoms that no other government has granted to the citizens at large before (other than being a hermit, in which you decide EVERYTHING by yourself...the con is that you have to provide everything for yourself too, that gets tiring).

Democracy also sets boundaries, and those boundaries are generally not unreasonable, but in fact desireable: The following is forbidden:

-Murder
-Theft (in any way shape or form)
-Rape
-Being a troll (not really forbidden but we counter this with courtesy and politeness)
-Lying in order to gain something that isn't yours or lying in a court of law
-Misappropriation of public/government fund or branches or misuse of power
-The violation of law (whether just or unjust is something of another issue but one of great importance)

The following is encouraged in Democracy:

-Voting (I've lost faith in this one since I have no idea who I'm voting for since everyone takes off the mask once they're in office)
-Freedom of speech (as pursuant to law, which is really based on whether or not it is just or unjust)
-Obeying the law and contributing to the safety of the community

Now this is where all the sh*t hits the fan.

All this can only work if the people who are walking and living within the boundaries of the law, have good enough morals and have their head on straight will be able to make this system work, while still providing freedoms granted by the democracy they live within. Those kind of people all dissapeared about 50 years ago.

I know I'm leaving my post off at an odd point but I'm tired now and I'll finish it later.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Yep the Brits could have towed him a 1000ft behind in a dingy but that would have been tasking even the most charitable country.

What a loser trying to hitch a ride from a country he turned his back on.

No problem I would tow him in a leaky dingy in shark infested water.:p

[mog]

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

we over in the US had a guy, way back when, who said something about 'not agreeing with what you say, but defending to the last, your right to say it'...

I don't see how this has anything to do with freedom of speech. Why is the Royal Navy obligated to pick up someone who doesn't have a British passport?

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

first of all, i'm not attacking anyone... second, i never said the Brits had any responsibility to do anything... that is all from your own imaginations... read again what i said, and stop putting words in my mouth...

if anything, i merely present you with the truths... clear, clean, concise, objective... you are the ones who want to claim to be so civilized... you are the ones who hold yourselves in such high moral esteem... it's your call as to what you would do... i'm over here... i'm not involved...

i remember the same sorta crap from you people when the bombs were going off in the UK, and the police shot this poor guy... everyone jumped up to defend the cops shooting him... mainly because the guy was different... i told you, before the facts were even revealed, that maybe this guy just didn't pay his back alimony or something... but every one of you saw terrorists in the bushes... shoot em all, let god sort it out...

well... you're pretty much doing the same thing here... most of you have never been in the middle east... most of you don't know jack about the cultures there... the least most of you could do would be to give this fool the basic rights your own society gaurantees...

noone said you had to take him seriously... noone said you had to listen...

it just surprises me... that lil ole me, the less civilized amongst you, would be amongst the minority here that would allow this fool his right to speak his mind freely, in a so called free democracy... without making him pay for what he said possibly with his life...

its so easy for you to deny the basic freedoms to someone else... whether they be right or wrong, or what they say be popular or unpopular... go ahead...

1937 Bavaria... amazing how quickly the lessons history has taught us are forgotten...

to live in a democracy and to safeguard the very tenets of that democracy, requires strong people... people who do not fear the truth... people who do not fear the words of others...

you lot obviously are not cut from that cloth... fortunately, others are there to secure for you, the very freedoms and rights you would deny others... lets hope you always are on the popular side of the opinion pole... that you never come down with leprosy of being the unpopular minority...

--Mike

[Skybird]

if anything, i merely present you with the truths... clear, clean, concise, objective...

Your interpretation of truth, to be precise.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

no... just the facts son... just the facts...

clean... clear... unadulterated... facts...

deal with em.

--Mike

[Skybird]

And I wish I were a prince of a rich kingdom.

[Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense]

you probably do...

--Mike