Images of the next Russian sub

LoBlo · 07-21-06, 09:09 PM

Interesting... wonder how realiable this model is?
original page
http://www.strategypage.com/messageb...s/462-3599.asp
direct image links

nice pumpjet too.

Problem is that with the Russian Navy in the financial bind it is... how long does it take to finish a sub... like 10-15 years of construction? and that's if its not cancelled and scrapped before hand, let alone if their will be any further units of the class.

Onkel Neal · 07-22-06, 12:11 AM

I hope they never complete it, why do they need one? They have the US as an ally now, not an enemy

Yahoshua · 07-22-06, 02:14 AM

Don't worry, their newest class is almost 15 years behind schedule.......

STEED · 07-22-06, 03:50 AM

They should build it and turn it into a hotel, that should pay off the cost of the construction bill.

goldorak · 07-22-06, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I hope they never complete it, why do they need one? They have the US as an ally now, not an enemy

How about the US dismantles the 60 688i and 20 or so ohio submarines ?
Why would the US need them anymore ?
How about the 10 nuclear aircarft carriers ?
Don't we live in one big happy world ? :rotfl:

Kapitan · 07-22-06, 06:42 AM

Dont want to worry you neal but its already under construction.

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 07-22-06, 06:47 AM

sorry... the US aircraft carriers will have to stay... operational necessity...
and i doubt if there are 60 ssns in the inventory, or 20 ssbns prowling around either...

the new Russian sub is probably being built for a lot of the same reasons we're still building subs... besides, if they decide they don't need it anymore, India will always be there to make an offer...

--Mike

Kapitan · 07-22-06, 06:49 AM

44 SSN's 14 SSBN's 4 SSGN's total american submarine force
26 SSN's 16 SSBN's 14 SSGN's total russian force

(note SSGN is deemed attack submarine also note this is from the last inventory i picked up dated 2005)

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 07-22-06, 07:03 AM

so, if there is any validity to Kapitan's numbers (they look accurate as far as i can see), it's obvious that the numbers Goldorak was alluding to were a lil exxagerrated...

plus, you must take into account the fact that at no time are any of the total numbers ever in service together... maintainence, repairs, etc usually means that at least 50% of any of the force is tied up at the pier...

getting back to the new Russian sub... at first glance, it reminds me of the Seawolf class... the last unit especially...

of course there are the usual appearance differences between US and Soviet boats, but overall, it seems to be a Soviet response to the JimmCarter... lengthened hull, pumpjet/propulsor, to me indicate an attempt at a lot of similar mission capabilities...

--Mike

Kapitan · 07-22-06, 09:43 AM

The only source that will validate my numbers is janes, and thier website hasnt been updated in years.

however i do have a list of each submarine in service, some where.

goldorak · 07-22-06, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense

so, if there is any validity to Kapitan's numbers (they look accurate as far as i can see), it's obvious that the numbers Goldorak was alluding to were a lil exxagerrated...
--Mike

I took those numbers from the book "cold war submarines", and they were correct up until the end of the cold war.
I had no idea that the us had already decomissioned 20 688i and almost 50% of its ssbn.

Kapitan · 07-22-06, 10:43 AM

Are you going bind? if you come here via the front gate there was daily news about it on the home page

U.S turned 4 of thier ohios into SSGN so it leaves 14 left.

Russia has 16 SSBN's although 15 are fully active and only about 6 will be on duty some where at some stage of deployment (meaning theres only about 2 or 3 at sea).

If you want real numbers try the soviet navy.

91 SSBN's 422 attack submarines making a force of 513 submarines of which some 250 are nuclear powerd. (note this is at the hieght of the cold war)

Godalmighty83 · 07-22-06, 11:48 AM

you have to wonder how well all those old reactors are being looked after...

but returning to topic thats a mighty long sub.

Bill Nichols · 07-22-06, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Godalmighty83

you have to wonder how well all those old reactors are being looked after...

but returning to topic thats a mighty long sub.

Look at the third pic, immediately behind the sail. Do I see missile hatches there or not?

Kapitan · 07-22-06, 12:04 PM

Yes i can four of them or at least four squares, but this looks like a seawolf hull with a kilo sail dont you think?

07-21-06, 09:09 PM	#1
LoBlo Subsim Diehard Join Date: May 2006 Location: Texas! Posts: 971 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 3	Images of the next Russian sub Interesting... wonder how realiable this model is? original page http://www.strategypage.com/messageb...s/462-3599.asp direct image links nice pumpjet too. Problem is that with the Russian Navy in the financial bind it is... how long does it take to finish a sub... like 10-15 years of construction? and that's if its not cancelled and scrapped before hand, let alone if their will be any further units of the class. __________________ "Seek not to offend or annoy... only to speak the truth"-a wise man

07-22-06, 12:11 AM	#2
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I hope they never complete it, why do they need one? They have the US as an ally now, not an enemy __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

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Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Don't worry, their newest class is almost 15 years behind schedule....... __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

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07-22-06, 06:42 AM	#6
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Dont want to worry you neal but its already under construction. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-22-06, 06:47 AM	#7
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	sorry... the US aircraft carriers will have to stay... operational necessity... and i doubt if there are 60 ssns in the inventory, or 20 ssbns prowling around either... the new Russian sub is probably being built for a lot of the same reasons we're still building subs... besides, if they decide they don't need it anymore, India will always be there to make an offer... --Mike

07-22-06, 06:49 AM	#8
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	44 SSN's 14 SSBN's 4 SSGN's total american submarine force 26 SSN's 16 SSBN's 14 SSGN's total russian force (note SSGN is deemed attack submarine also note this is from the last inventory i picked up dated 2005) __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-22-06, 07:03 AM	#9
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 445 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	so, if there is any validity to Kapitan's numbers (they look accurate as far as i can see), it's obvious that the numbers Goldorak was alluding to were a lil exxagerrated... plus, you must take into account the fact that at no time are any of the total numbers ever in service together... maintainence, repairs, etc usually means that at least 50% of any of the force is tied up at the pier... getting back to the new Russian sub... at first glance, it reminds me of the Seawolf class... the last unit especially... of course there are the usual appearance differences between US and Soviet boats, but overall, it seems to be a Soviet response to the JimmCarter... lengthened hull, pumpjet/propulsor, to me indicate an attempt at a lot of similar mission capabilities... --Mike Last edited by Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense; 07-22-06 at 07:07 AM.

07-22-06, 09:43 AM	#10
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	The only source that will validate my numbers is janes, and thier website hasnt been updated in years. however i do have a list of each submarine in service, some where. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-22-06, 10:43 AM	#12
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Are you going bind? if you come here via the front gate there was daily news about it on the home page U.S turned 4 of thier ohios into SSGN so it leaves 14 left. Russia has 16 SSBN's although 15 are fully active and only about 6 will be on duty some where at some stage of deployment (meaning theres only about 2 or 3 at sea). If you want real numbers try the soviet navy. 91 SSBN's 422 attack submarines making a force of 513 submarines of which some 250 are nuclear powerd. (note this is at the hieght of the cold war) __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

07-22-06, 11:48 AM	#13
Godalmighty83 Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	you have to wonder how well all those old reactors are being looked after... but returning to topic thats a mighty long sub. __________________ Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

07-22-06, 12:04 PM	#15
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	Yes i can four of them or at least four squares, but this looks like a seawolf hull with a kilo sail dont you think? __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/