Putin is turning Russia back into USSR - Page 9

joea · 05-22-06, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Stalin was born in georgia a balkans republic and joseph stalin is not his real name.

Georgia is twinned in its fight with russia by chechnya.

Jesus Kap did you drop out of school or what?

STEED · 05-22-06, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joea

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Stalin was born in georgia a balkans republic and joseph stalin is not his real name.

Georgia is twinned in its fight with russia by chechnya.

Jesus Kap did you drop out of school or what?

I have to back Kapitan up on Stalin's real name please read the links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/histori...n_joseph.shtml

Oberon · 05-22-06, 04:47 PM

Ioseb Jughashvili - Check
Born in Georgia - Check
Georgia a republic - Check
Georgia a Balkan republic - Err...

But never fear, I snuck into the Department of Defense and stole this map from right under their noses. So without further ado:

STEED · 05-22-06, 04:51 PM

Arrest that man, stop map thief.

Wim Libaers · 05-22-06, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

Its the fact that both were criminal but the other is still honored.

Why shouldn't the average Soviet soldier be honored for fighting againt Nazism?

And why shouldn't the soldier on the other side be honored for fighting against socialism/Stalinism?

If one wants to be really cynical, one could even say they both were doing a very good job because, if they hadn't been wearing each other down on the Eastern front, all of Western Europe might have been conquered by one of those two evil empires too.

CCIP · 05-22-06, 05:20 PM

I realize the other side, of course, but my primary distinction has always been between the aims of Germany and the USSR. The USSR conquered, but it was neither their aim nor the factual reality to institute genocide, just political conformity. On the other hand, it was attacked by Germany and had to defend itself from a war of annihilation. Anything going on at the periphery at the time of the war is, in my mind, national self-preservation first, and imperialism only second (a major second, but a second nonetheless).

joea · 05-23-06, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

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Originally Posted by joea

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Originally Posted by Kapitan

Stalin was born in georgia a balkans republic and joseph stalin is not his real name.

Georgia is twinned in its fight with russia by chechnya.

Jesus Kap did you drop out of school or what?

I have to back Kapitan up on Stalin's real name please read the links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/histori...n_joseph.shtml

For heaven's sake I have studied Russian/Soviet history for years and of the Second World War as well...

I knew that.

Sorry I came down on the Kap I saw Balkans in the place of Caucasus and not anything else.

Sorry again.

But I knew that.

STEED · 05-23-06, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by joea

I knew that.

May be if you used some of these as well

:P

Then we all latched on you were pulling KAP'S leg

By the way my answer was late at night and I was half sleep.

Back to the topic........................

The Avon Lady · 06-23-06, 05:36 AM

/bump

:p

Seriously:

Symposium: When an Evil Empire Returns.

:hmm:

Tronics · 06-23-06, 06:11 AM

Realistically I find this improbable.

You need vast amounts of money to man and maintain military equipment, does Russia have enough money to float the bill to revitilize their armarment industries and rearm and re-equip there somewhat aged military? Yeah I know it's not that old, however what state is it actually in?

The rest of this became a rant about the state of news agencies in america and worldwide broadcasting more of a political viewpoint then news these days. So I deleted it.

The Avon Lady · 06-23-06, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tronics

Realistically I find this improbable.

You need vast amounts of money to man and maintain military equipment, does Russia have enough money to float the bill to revitilize their armarment industries and rearm and re-equip there somewhat aged military? Yeah I know it's not that old, however what state is it actually in?

I don't believe you actually read the article.

Nothing is mentioned of Russia invading Prague again.

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The rest of this became a rant about the state of news agencies in america and worldwide broadcasting more of a political viewpoint then news these days.

Where is there anywhere in the article a "rant" about the western press?

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So I deleted it.

Are you a hacker?!?!

STEED · 06-23-06, 09:55 AM

Another old thread resurrected?

Yahoshua · 06-23-06, 07:26 PM

[quote=The Noob]Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism! quote]

Aw for christ sake kid.....do you even uderstand how capitalism works as opposed to Communism? Here's a crash course on economics:

Capitalism depends on independent owners creating a domestic and international market. And the reason there is such a large gap between the rich and poor is because of the LACK of education about money.

Rich people don't work for money, money works fro them. The rich own assets, assets create money and they don't have to do anything with those assets, employees take care of that. What employees don't know is how to handle money. Employees work, are taxed before they get their paycheck, get it, pay their bills, and then they get what's leftover, which isn't much.

The rich pay themselves first with legal, pre-tax dollars. So the rich will put their income from their assets and job (if they choose to work) back into their assets and spend pre-tax dollars before they're taxed, they do this by spending the money as a "Company Expense." For example: Vehicle repairs are a company expense, dinners and lunch with clients are company expenses, buying real-estate is a company expense, etc.

Whatever is left-over from company expenses is taxed by Uncle Sam. If you want more information about this I suggest you read a book called "Rich Dad & Poor Dad" by Robert Kiyosaki.

Now about Communism. This sort of government had ONLY a domestic market, with no outlet for international markets. Farms are collectivised, and nobody is allowed to own any personal belongings. Everything is owned by the state.....even YOU.

China has actually outsmarted the Russians by giving in to a hybrid Communist/Capitalist market. China maintains an Iron Rod over her citizens and domestic affairs while selling goods that are in high demand to overseas markets.

This provides a constant cash-flow INTO CHina, keeping the domestic market alive. But I've yet to see a full-blown transition into a capitalist market with the Chinese buying goods from other nations in large quantities.

Oberon · 06-24-06, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Another old thread resurrected?

You can't argue with her timing though, almost EXACTLY one month since the last post in this thread...just 17 minutes too early!

sergbuto · 06-24-06, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Seriously:

Symposium: When an Evil Empire Returns.

:hmm:

Got a good laugh. Thanks.

05-22-06, 04:51 PM	#124
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Arrest that man, stop map thief. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-22-06, 05:20 PM	#126
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I realize the other side, of course, but my primary distinction has always been between the aims of Germany and the USSR. The USSR conquered, but it was neither their aim nor the factual reality to institute genocide, just political conformity. On the other hand, it was attacked by Germany and had to defend itself from a war of annihilation. Anything going on at the periphery at the time of the war is, in my mind, national self-preservation first, and imperialism only second (a major second, but a second nonetheless). __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

06-23-06, 05:36 AM	#129
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	/bump :p Seriously: Symposium: When an Evil Empire Returns. :hmm: __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

06-23-06, 09:55 AM	#132
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Another old thread resurrected? __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

06-23-06, 07:26 PM	#133
Yahoshua The Old Man Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,493 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	[quote=The Noob]Capitalism is bad for the "Normal" people with little money. Capitalism is only good for the Big Damn Concerns. I'm not one of these, i ain't rich, so to hell with Capitalism! quote] Aw for christ sake kid.....do you even uderstand how capitalism works as opposed to Communism? Here's a crash course on economics: Capitalism depends on independent owners creating a domestic and international market. And the reason there is such a large gap between the rich and poor is because of the LACK of education about money. Rich people don't work for money, money works fro them. The rich own assets, assets create money and they don't have to do anything with those assets, employees take care of that. What employees don't know is how to handle money. Employees work, are taxed before they get their paycheck, get it, pay their bills, and then they get what's leftover, which isn't much. The rich pay themselves first with legal, pre-tax dollars. So the rich will put their income from their assets and job (if they choose to work) back into their assets and spend pre-tax dollars before they're taxed, they do this by spending the money as a "Company Expense." For example: Vehicle repairs are a company expense, dinners and lunch with clients are company expenses, buying real-estate is a company expense, etc. Whatever is left-over from company expenses is taxed by Uncle Sam. If you want more information about this I suggest you read a book called "Rich Dad & Poor Dad" by Robert Kiyosaki. Now about Communism. This sort of government had ONLY a domestic market, with no outlet for international markets. Farms are collectivised, and nobody is allowed to own any personal belongings. Everything is owned by the state.....even YOU. China has actually outsmarted the Russians by giving in to a hybrid Communist/Capitalist market. China maintains an Iron Rod over her citizens and domestic affairs while selling goods that are in high demand to overseas markets. This provides a constant cash-flow INTO CHina, keeping the domestic market alive. But I've yet to see a full-blown transition into a capitalist market with the Chinese buying goods from other nations in large quantities. __________________ Science is the organized unpredictability that strives not to set limits to mans' capabilities, but is the engine by which the limits of mans' understanding is defined-Yahoshua

05-22-06, 04:47 PM	#123
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Ioseb Jughashvili - Check Born in Georgia - Check Georgia a republic - Check Georgia a Balkan republic - Err... But never fear, I snuck into the Department of Defense and stole this map from right under their noses. So without further ado:

06-23-06, 06:11 AM	#130
Tronics A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 78 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Realistically I find this improbable. You need vast amounts of money to man and maintain military equipment, does Russia have enough money to float the bill to revitilize their armarment industries and rearm and re-equip there somewhat aged military? Yeah I know it's not that old, however what state is it actually in? The rest of this became a rant about the state of news agencies in america and worldwide broadcasting more of a political viewpoint then news these days. So I deleted it.