What's the deal with Stock SH3 TDC using the wrong dials?

arkatos · 07-20-20, 03:08 PM

Hi guys,

I imagine this has already been discussed but I couldn't find anything in the forum archive.
I've only recently started using the fully manual targeting method in stock SH3 on steam (trying to get to 100% realism).

Has anyone noticed that 2 of the dials in the TDC are completely wrong? That being the AOB and bearing dials?

The 'bearing' dial in SH3 is using the image of the real 'angle on bow' dial.

The 'angle on bow' dial is using the image of the 'impact (or deflection) angle' dial, even though there is no impact angle available in SH3.

Just wondered if this was an oversight by the developers? I take it this is fixed in GWX and LSH?

Dials on a real TDC:

I have fixed the labels in SH3 here

Reference: http://www.tvre.org/en/torpedo-calculator-t-vh-re-s3

Aktungbby · 07-20-20, 03:21 PM

arkatos!

Nice first post after a long silent run,

Pisces · 07-20-20, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by arkatos

...I take it this is fixed in GWX ...?
...

I am afraid not, according to the GWX 3 Manual appendix D, page D-16. (613 of PDF)

But I swear I've seen and used mods that put them in the right place.

arkatos · 07-20-20, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

arkatos!

Nice first post after a long silent run,

Run silent, run deep

Yeah, I use the forums all the time but I nearly always find what I'm looking for in other people's posts - very useful.

diego_gut · 08-06-20, 10:08 PM

MaGui fixes it.

klh · 08-07-20, 03:04 PM

]I noticed the same thing after reading tvre.org, and started looking for a fix. This is a known error in SH3 and SH4 and has been commented on a few times over the years.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom//sh...d.php?t=178147

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom//showthread.php?t=187084

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=220504

There are some mods that fix it, but none that I know of for 1920x1080. So I am working on my own tweak to the ARB WideGUI. So far I have nearly finished with the attack scope.

The only thing I'm disappointed in is that I can't get an Impact Angle dial nor the Outer Door switches to work in SH3. There are commands for them in the commands.cfg files, but apparently they were never coded. There was a project to fix that a couple of years back, but it seems to have been abandoned.

diego_gut · 08-08-20, 04:38 PM

Very nice! Are you going to publish it?

klh · 08-08-20, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diego_gut

Very nice! Are you going to publish it?

Thanks. My plan was just to make a few tweaks for my own use, but I suppose I could release it after I finish the observation scope and uzo.

Templar · 01-11-21, 11:46 AM

Yes please do release it when you are finished, it looks great.

derstosstrupp · 01-11-21, 12:07 PM

Looks amazing, yes please do!

blackswan40 · 01-11-21, 12:21 PM

Hi klh please release this new GUI it will make a lot people very happy indeed

Salute Sir

prowler3 · 01-24-21, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackswan40

Hi klh please release this new GUI it will make a lot people very happy indeed

Salute Sir

I second...heartily...blackswan40's statement!

klh · 01-25-21, 09:55 AM

I will release it, but please understand I am not an expert modder and cannot guarantee it will always work with every setup.

I have finished all the screens except F6 TDC. When I get that done and have tested it, I will release it here on SubSim.

blackswan40 · 01-25-21, 10:13 AM

Hi klh Thankyou Sir Salute

Fifi · 01-25-21, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klh

I will release it, but please understand I am not an expert modder and cannot guarantee it will always work with every setup.

I have finished all the screens except F6 TDC. When I get that done and have tested it, I will release it here on SubSim.

Thank you Klh, very interested by your new GUI

07-20-20, 03:08 PM	#1
arkatos Nub Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 2 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What's the deal with Stock SH3 TDC using the wrong dials? Hi guys, I imagine this has already been discussed but I couldn't find anything in the forum archive. I've only recently started using the fully manual targeting method in stock SH3 on steam (trying to get to 100% realism). Has anyone noticed that 2 of the dials in the TDC are completely wrong? That being the AOB and bearing dials? The 'bearing' dial in SH3 is using the image of the real 'angle on bow' dial. The 'angle on bow' dial is using the image of the 'impact (or deflection) angle' dial, even though there is no impact angle available in SH3. Just wondered if this was an oversight by the developers? I take it this is fixed in GWX and LSH? Dials on a real TDC: I have fixed the labels in SH3 here Reference: http://www.tvre.org/en/torpedo-calculator-t-vh-re-s3

07-20-20, 03:21 PM	#2
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 29,997 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard! arkatos! Nice first post after a long silent run, __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

08-07-20, 03:04 PM	#6
klh Der Alte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 227 Downloads: 200 Uploads: 0	]I noticed the same thing after reading tvre.org, and started looking for a fix. This is a known error in SH3 and SH4 and has been commented on a few times over the years. https://www.subsim.com/radioroom//sh...d.php?t=178147 https://www.subsim.com/radioroom//showthread.php?t=187084 https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...d.php?t=220504 There are some mods that fix it, but none that I know of for 1920x1080. So I am working on my own tweak to the ARB WideGUI. So far I have nearly finished with the attack scope. The only thing I'm disappointed in is that I can't get an Impact Angle dial nor the Outer Door switches to work in SH3. There are commands for them in the commands.cfg files, but apparently they were never coded. There was a project to fix that a couple of years back, but it seems to have been abandoned. Last edited by klh; 08-07-20 at 03:38 PM.

01-11-21, 12:07 PM	#10
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 914 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 0	Looks amazing, yes please do! __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ

01-11-21, 12:21 PM	#11
blackswan40 GWX - KC Crash Test Dummy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: IN THE STEEL SHARKS VIRTUAL OCEAN Posts: 2,782 Downloads: 610 Uploads: 31	Hi klh please release this new GUI it will make a lot people very happy indeed Salute Sir __________________ Someone Had to Make the Tea

08-06-20, 10:08 PM	#5
diego_gut Soundman Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 147 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	MaGui fixes it.

08-08-20, 04:38 PM	#7
diego_gut Soundman Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 147 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Very nice! Are you going to publish it?

01-11-21, 11:46 AM	#9
Templar Helmsman Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 102 Downloads: 471 Uploads: 0	Yes please do release it when you are finished, it looks great.

01-25-21, 09:55 AM	#13
klh Der Alte Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 227 Downloads: 200 Uploads: 0	I will release it, but please understand I am not an expert modder and cannot guarantee it will always work with every setup. I have finished all the screens except F6 TDC. When I get that done and have tested it, I will release it here on SubSim.

01-25-21, 10:13 AM	#14
blackswan40 GWX - KC Crash Test Dummy Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: IN THE STEEL SHARKS VIRTUAL OCEAN Posts: 2,782 Downloads: 610 Uploads: 31	Hi klh Thankyou Sir Salute __________________ Someone Had to Make the Tea