Shall we talk about file sizes in mods? - Page 8

areo16 · 01-25-19, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff-Groves

We do know that it is only necessary to load one 3d model to complete a full render of a more complex in Game unit.
I use the Maunsell Forts in GWX as an example. Open those with S3D and see how it was done. There are examples in the original release of SH3 so I did not invent the idea. The prospect was there from the start!

I just wanted to clarify on this point.

Can we reference a model ID that is outside of the dat file?

Because S3D will not be able to link it, but SH3 will know where to find it?

Jeff-Groves · 01-25-19, 03:52 PM

Yes. That's how location files work for one example.

areo16 · 01-25-19, 05:54 PM

I looked. This is true, however in location files they are chunk type 11 not chunk type 4. I wonder If we can convert the type 4s in the unit files to 11s. And I believe the referenced models would have to be in the Library directory. As I think all the Location model references, the models live in the Library.

Jeff-Groves · 01-25-19, 05:56 PM

Best way to find out is to try it.

areo16 · 01-25-19, 06:07 PM

Well if the type 11s can reference outside dat, perhaps the type 4s can too. But maybe they only look in Library?

I'll test both conditions.

Looks like the type 11s can't have any other node's attach to them, including materials.

Takes investigating.

areo16 · 01-25-19, 06:24 PM

So the Type 11s are referencing Type 4s in the Library. The 3d Models (type 1 ) are not being referenced. This confuses things more...

Would it be useful to switch the type 4s in the unit dirs (air, land, sea, submarine) to type 11s and reference a common type 4, even though that referenced type 4 may have its own attributes (ie: type 10s) and textures (type 2s)?

bigboywooly · 01-26-19, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areo16

So the Type 11s are referencing Type 4s in the Library. The 3d Models (type 1 ) are not being referenced. This confuses things more...

Would it be useful to switch the type 4s in the unit dirs (air, land, sea, submarine) to type 11s and reference a common type 4, even though that referenced type 4 may have its own attributes (ie: type 10s) and textures (type 2s)?

Referring to the nodes in the dat not type= ingame

01-25-19, 03:52 PM	#107
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,655 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Yes. That's how location files work for one example.

01-25-19, 05:54 PM	#108
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 382 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	I looked. This is true, however in location files they are chunk type 11 not chunk type 4. I wonder If we can convert the type 4s in the unit files to 11s. And I believe the referenced models would have to be in the Library directory. As I think all the Location model references, the models live in the Library.

01-25-19, 05:56 PM	#109
Jeff-Groves GLOBAL MODDING TERRORIST Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,655 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Best way to find out is to try it.

01-25-19, 06:07 PM	#110
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 382 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Well if the type 11s can reference outside dat, perhaps the type 4s can too. But maybe they only look in Library? I'll test both conditions. Looks like the type 11s can't have any other node's attach to them, including materials. Takes investigating.

01-25-19, 06:24 PM	#111
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 382 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	So the Type 11s are referencing Type 4s in the Library. The 3d Models (type 1 ) are not being referenced. This confuses things more... Would it be useful to switch the type 4s in the unit dirs (air, land, sea, submarine) to type 11s and reference a common type 4, even though that referenced type 4 may have its own attributes (ie: type 10s) and textures (type 2s)?