USA: Target of Illegal Immigration

[Gerald]

The Christian right is allowing Trump to escape responsibility for the immoral policy of separating children from their parents. Have they no shame?

As a matter of recent policy, agents of the American government take children from their parents’ arms at our southern border. They are kept at separate facilities for indeterminate periods of time. The parents are jailed and the children are put in the care of non-governmental agencies, sometimes in other states. It is hard to imagine that the higher rate of incarceration and the new system of calculated injury to children would not soon overwhelm existing arrangements no matter how many shelters and beds are provided for a frightened, heartbroken population of the very young, whose miseries are intended as a disincentive to future potential border-crossers.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-immigration-


Crossing the border is no 'duck walk.'

[Skybird]

Link broken.


Why is this practice run? Deterrance?

[Gerald]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eshape-america AHH...another topic.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Link broken.


Why is this practice run? Deterrance?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...?CMP=edit_2221

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eshape-america AHH...another topic.

A.a culture war. Well, two bloke heads going for each other, religious zealots and LGBT. Every action has reaction, and the LGBT side and the left had some party-time in past years . Trump and the opportunity he opens for orthodox Christians, is the strike-back.


I see both sides as extremists in this. And none of them will be beneficial for the US anyway, so why favouring the one over the other?

[Skybird]

First link works now.


Seems to be they separate children from illegal migrant parents who get jailed. While this may have a deterring effect (only statistics showing changes in migration rates could show that), I see no need for this family separation. They should do it like in Australia, where they get isolated and de facto held as prisoner for long time, but families are left together, I read.



The Australian model works best, it seems. Their illegal migration rate is below 2% (I read two or three years ago) of what it was in earlier times before the new polcies came into place. Its grim and absolutely discouraging, yes - and right that is why its deterring effect works so well. Illegals do not want to go there anymore.


Westerners must understand that you cannot protect a border without practicing the amount of force and determination needed for that. If you are welcoming and soft-hearted, more will come, and ever more, becasue you are welcomign and soft-hearted. The more you care for them, the more will come. Gunnar Heinsohn counted out in an article some days ago that in Africa and Arabia alone 700 million people (compare that to the misleading by the UN talking of 68 million worldwide...) want to move out and towards Europe. Until 2050 he shows this number to increase to 1.2 billion.


If we do not want to completely lose our countries that we call a home, we have to be cruel and do drastic things. Either that, or we destroy ourselves - and with us that culture and standards that allowed developments that resulted in a status that made our still homes so attractive to flee to for the others. And for some of them who tick by some supremacist religious ideology we even are just a tasty prey waiting to get conquered demographically.

[Onkel Neal]

The responsibility lies with the parents, they are setting this situation up. They know it is illegal to enter a different country without the proper paperwork and permission. If anyone is to blame for splitting up families, it's Senor Mom and Dad.

[Mr Quatro]

What if the mothers and fathers and elder family members even are encouraging the youth to cross over the border for purposes of finding a better life and send US Postal Money Orders home too.

I've heard many say that there were no jobs, no money, no hope, no future of staying in the rural areas of Mexico that they were in. In other words it was worth the chance to cross over to just be able to send money back to feed there families.

I've always thought the problem lies with Mexico itself not being able to handle any of their problems from gangsters to drugs to illegal's to compassion on the poor.

[Bilge_Rat]

typical gross exaggeration by the anti-Trump media. All the U.S. is doing is enforcing their immigration laws, Something every other nation on earth does.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

typical gross exaggeration by the anti-Trump media. All the U.S. is doing is enforcing their immigration laws, Something every other nation on earth does.

Not if you're an EU member.

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

typical gross exaggeration by the anti-Trump media. All the U.S. is doing is enforcing their immigration laws, Something every other nation on earth does.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Not if you're an EU member.

Just the price they have to pay in order to get good döner kebab.

[Rockstar]

From what little information there is about this separation issue. During the last administration a Californian federal judge ruled detaining children in a jail-like facility is not allowed. That ruling prompted the last administration to arbitrarily began releasing immigrant families into the United States.

I suppose then if this administration is going to enforce immigration laws. They will need to detain people until their asylum request can be heard. But in order to comply with the judges order they may need to move some of the children to better facilities. Having been involved in interdicting aliens at the border and repatriating them. It isn't easy for anyone and I'm sure it takes even more of a psychological toll on the parents and children.

[August]

What a savage Trump is for following the law by taking these children out of detention facilities and placing them with relatives and foster families until their parents case can be heard.

[GoldenRivet]

Look here is the issue at its core

What Trump supporters say: "illegal immigration is rampant, many of those who sneak across the border may be good and decent people, but we have no way of sorting it out, murderers, pedophiles and rapist are coming in across our southern border with them, this needs to be addressed just like every president since the 80s has promised to do. Additionally, the legal immigration process is broken and needs to be fixed so it is easier for those good and decent people who wish to immigrate to the USA legally, are more easily able to do so."

What Democrats hear: "Republicans hate immigrants of all kinds and want to wall them off from our country so no more brown people come here."

What he police do: *arrest illegals, put them in temporary holding, and then send them back to their origin country

What the media reports: *innocent families forced into concentration camp-like prisons and then forced to return to their country after perilous journey to America ends in arrest by fascists police.

i cant make it any easier than to explain it just like that so a child can understand it

[August]

Originally Posted by Vendor

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-immigration-


Crossing the border is no 'duck walk.'

Vendor this is pretty inflammatory and biased. It hardly qualifies as "news".



And BTW GoldenRivet nails it.