Open letter to the NFL players...read and share

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

Besides if the NFL can't or shouldn't prevent players from kneeling during the game anthem because it's some big freedom of speech issue then why was it able to prevent the following with little or no argument from FoS advocates?



http://www.bladenjournal.com/opinion...lover-kneeling

All but the first example broke NFL rules.

EDIT: And Tim Tebow was not penalized for kneeling, was he?

[Rockstar]

I vote owners ban the playing of the national anthem at sporting events.

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

All but the first example broke NFL rules.

EDIT: And Tim Tebow was not penalized for kneeling, was he?

What is the difference? He was told that he had to stop doing it. It's a double standard any way you want to look at it.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

He was told that he had to stop doing it.

Not by the NFL, was he?

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by August

There are guidelines on how the flag is to be displayed, not laws. Big difference. Suggestions that nobody is going to jail or even pay a fine for not following.

There are guidelines on how the flag is to be displayed, not laws. Big difference. Suggestions that nobody is going to jail or even pay a fine for not following.

As for the kneeling controversy you are correct as far as I know that there is no law (outside of the military of course) demanding a certain behavior during the national anthem, however, neither is there one preventing employers from demanding that their employees stand during the anthem to avoid irritating their customers. Nor is there one that says the customers have to meekly accept and continue to financially support this behavior if they allow it.

Besides if the NFL can't or shouldn't prevent players from kneeling during the game anthem because it's some big freedom of speech issue then why was it able to prevent the following with little or no argument from FoS advocates?

Quote:
— In 2012 the NFL had an issue with Tim Tebow kneeling for each game to pray; they also had an issue with Tebow wearing John 3:16 as part of his blackout to avoid glare and made him take it off.
— In 2013 the NFL fined Brandon Marshall for wearing green cleats to raise awareness for people with mental health disorders.
— In 2014 Robert Griffin III (RG3) entered a post-game press conference wearing a shirt that said “Know Jesus Know Peace” but was forced to turn it inside out by an NFL uniform inspector before speaking at the podium.
— In 2015 DeAngelo Williams was fined for wearing “Find the Cure” (under) eye black for breast cancer awareness.
— In 2015 William Gay was fined for wearing purple cleats to raise awareness for domestic violence.
— In 2016 the NFL prevented the Dallas Cowboys from wearing a decal on their helmet in honor of five Dallas Police officers killed in the line of duty during a BLM protest where they put themselves in harms way to protect the protesters.
— In 2016 the NFL threatened to fine players who wanted to wear cleats to commemorate the 15th anniversary of 9/11, when this country lost more people than when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor.
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I remember a little of this. DeAngelo Williams wore In 2015 " find the cure " in honor of his mom who passed away from breast cancer. DeAngelo Williams was fined for it as you mentioned earlier. Sadly, DeAngelo Williams team mates couldn't find the time to attend her funeral even though it was the off season. The front office didn't acknowledge her passing either.

The NFL is now supporting Cancer awareness. What's sad is Tebow was sanctioned and yet there is an acknowledgment of God on U.S money and in the courts when taking the oath during testimony but yet what Tebow did was somehow inappropriate.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

What's sad is Tebow was sanctioned and yet there is an acknowledgment of God on U.S money and in the courts when taking the oath during testimony but yet what Tebow did was somehow inappropriate.

because the world we live in did not approve

[Obltn Strand]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I vote owners ban the playing of the national anthem at sporting events.

Except international games where anthems belong.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

The NFL is now supporting Cancer awareness. What's sad is Tebow was sanctioned and yet there is an acknowledgment of God on U.S money and in the courts when taking the oath during testimony but yet what Tebow did was somehow inappropriate.

I don't know about the rest of the country, but the times I have been called for jury duty, we weren't required to say "So help me God" when we were sworn in as potential jurors; I also observed the phrase was excluded in other oath-taking situations here; I was prepared to give notice I will not swear "to God" under any circumstances, but I didn't have to...

“The Beast” is the Cadillac limousine the agency uses to transport the president from place to place. It operates out of the Secret Service’s classified motor pool. The vehicle is heavily armed against ballistic, IED and chemical weapons attacks, and is fitted with advanced communications and emergency medical equipment.

Yeah, but what kind of gas mileage does it get and can you link up to Twitter via wi-fi? ...





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[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by vienna

I don't know about the rest of the country, but the times I have been called for jury duty, we weren't required to say "So help me God" when we were sworn in as potential jurors; I also observed the phrase was excluded in other oath-taking situations here; I was prepared to give notice I will not swear "to God" under any circumstances, but I didn't have to...

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That was as a juror Vienna. Since You were not required to testify, you were not required to take an oath either. Witnesses, expert or otherwise before they can testify are sworn in. There are however work around(s) though. Even Donald Trump had to take a pledge as well.




Judges too.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

Even Donald Trump had to take a pledge as well.

But he didn't have to say that part, either:

Originally Posted by U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Clause 8

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by razark

But he didn't have to say that part, either:

That's true. That's why I said in my earlier post, # 84 that there are " work around ( s ) " They exist to avoid offending anyone who may be sensitive to anything like that.

[razark]

That's not a "workaround", it's just "not adding an extra bit".

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by razark

That's not a "workaround", it's just "not adding an extra bit".

That's a matter of semantics. One person's work around is another person's not adding something. A rose by any other name......

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

That was as a juror Vienna. Since You were not required to testify, you were not required to take an oath either. Witnesses, expert or otherwise before they can testify are sworn in. There are however work around(s) though. Even Donald Trump had to take a pledge as well.

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Actually, here in our court jurisdiction, potential jurors are required to swear an oath prior to the voir dire phase affirming they will not give false statements in an attempt to either avoid jury duty or attempt to get on a jury as a biased participant; a second oath is required once the selected jurors are officially empaneled for trial; there are legal repercussions if the oath is violated...





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[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by vienna

Actually, here in our court jurisdiction, potential jurors are required to swear an oath prior to the voir dire phase affirming they will not give false statements in an attempt to either avoid jury duty or attempt to get on a jury as a biased participant; a second oath is required once the selected jurors are officially empaneled for trial; there are legal repercussions if the oath is violated...


<O>

That can vary from one jurisdiction to another as they follow local / state judicial procedure rules. The voire dire phase is little more than a procedure and series of questions by which one attorney can raise Peremptory challenges, dismissing potential jurors on what they feel may be an unfair bias. I'm sure this is what you meant and you are right.

Edit: Voire dire can also be a series of questions to determine one's expertise on a given subject if they intend to testify as an expert witness. I was limiting things to potential jurors above.