Putin is turning Russia back into USSR

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by AG124

I recall a quote I once heard, but I forget who said it. It was in reference to either democracy or capitalism or both. The quote was something to this effect: It is the absolute worst system in the world, except for every other system in the world.

I think that's from Winston Churchill IIRC. :hmm:

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by The Noob

I Hate Liberalism.

Yes boo freedom of thought, limitations on power of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, the right to vote for all, a country in which there is financial help for the out of work or poor, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of minorities are guaranteed.

I mean who wants that! Pffft!!

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by The Noob

What's so funny about what i said?

BTW, 'Progress' is going way to Fast for me anyway.

Well, I'm not going to try to change your way of thinking, but to people like me, what you said about capitalism is akin to saying the world is flat.

[August]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Yes boo freedom of thought,limitations on power of government and religion, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, the right to vote for all, a country in which there is financial help for the out of work or poor, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of minorities are guaranteed.

I mean who wants that! Pffft!!

What's any of that got to do with liberalism?

[CCIP]

America's term "Liberal" amuses me to no ends.

For the record: in most other places, liberal refers to political centre-right or even just right. In fact the "neocon" movement is properly referred to as "neo-liberalism", as I learned it while studying politics here in Canada.

Only you guys have that funny left-wing association with the word. Perhaps because your political scene is so to the right compared to even most of the Western world :P

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Original thread topic =

again?! after that "new cold war" thread?

[The Noob]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Original thread topic =

again?! after that "new cold war" thread?

Why Not?

[CCIP]

Have you read my posts there? They addressed in excruciating detail just what's wrong with Putin's Russia, in my rather informed opinion

[Deathblow]

Originally Posted by CB..

and China remains a Communist State..slightly post modern perhaps but that's to be expected..they are not daft..

No, China does *not* remain a communist state. Their state-run factories are being closed down. Their citizens are now creating self-initiated privately run corporations, self-owned businesses, becoming independent/self-directed entrepeneurs. Which is the power behind their current boom and the sole reason we are projecting their eventual rise in power in the next few decades in the first place.

Edit: Grammar

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by August

What's any of that got to do with liberalism?

The word "Liberalism" has been hijacked by the American Commie rat-finks. Liberals as Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Witch Pelosi, etc. do not believe in these ideas of freedom of thought, rule of law, or limitations on the powers of government.

[scandium]

Conflicting definitions of "liberalism":

lib·er·al·ism Audio pronunciation of "liberalism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lbr--lzm, lbr-)
n.

(1). The state or quality of being liberal.
(2).
1. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.
2. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party.
(3). An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard.
(4). Liberalism
1. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology.
2. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.

That's from www.dictionary.com

CCIP refers to definition 3 (as does, more or less, both "neo-liberalism" and "neo-conservatism") while definition 2 is the more commonly meant meaning. Meaning #3 I've only ever encountered academically (in political science, sociology, and economics courses) and I would say its an otherwise obscure usage these days of the term.

[Deathblow]

Its interesting that traditionally the concepts of totalitarianism and communism have been intimately coupled, as has the concepts of capitalism and democracy...

I can think of some countries with capitalistic systems but with non-democratic governments.... are there any examples of a fully two+ party democracy with a communist economy?

[Kapitan]

No country is truely communist end of.

As for russia putin is trying to put it back on its feet and that is why he can only allow half democracy, look what happend when yeltsin came to power manic wasnt the word.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

No country is truely communist end of.

[Kapitan]

No steed thats communism born out of conveniance, do you find anyone in them two countries who have total equality?

I dont think so therefore they cannot be a true communist state.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

I dont think so therefore they cannot be a true communist state.

Go and tell them that one.