London Bridge major incident

[Reece]

Kinda sad to hear that Skybird, but it's quite true. . . I'll buy a ticket!!

[Jimbuna]

Theresa May says 'things need to change' and 'enough is enough'.

I thought she got everything into the right perspective and now is her chance to prove she is capable of protecting those she was elected to serve.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-4015...need-to-change

For anyone that might be interested, I'm not sure if this has been made public yet but my sources tell me that the 'Hereford Gun Club' were deployed last night and will automatically be around the 'next time'.

God help us if the alternative became a reality...

[Commander Wallace]

It's been reported that 5 Individuals have been arrested in connection with the terrorist events. It seems almost impossible to separate radical Islam from those who want to practice Islam in peace. Even worse, native born and Indigenous people are being radicalized and pose a danger to their fellow citizens.

Law enforcement can't be everywhere to protects it's citizens either. I'm wondering if the time hasn't come for a referendum to be put in front of the citizenry of England to relax restrictions on gun ownership for it's citizens to not only be armed but also be allowed to carry weapons. While the political will is building to address the issue head on, allow people the right and ability to defend themselves and loved ones from attacks.

If you walk into a restaurant in the U.S, there is a good chance than one or more of those there are well armed. Armed people make poor targets. This philosophy may not apply to Europe but it may well be worth exploring. I'm wondering what people not only in England think but also in Germany and the rest of Europe.

I hope Theresa May can implement concrete solutions to protect it's people. Thoughts and prayers to those in England.

[MGR1]

London attack: More armed police on duty in Scotland

Scotland will see a "substantial" increase in the number of armed police on duty in the immediate aftermath of the London attack, the first minister has said.
But Nicola Sturgeon said there was no intelligence of any specific threat to Scotland.

Pretty much the same response as last time.

Apart from the Glasgow Airport attack there hasn't been anything in Scotland. Like the IRA's bombing campaigns it appears that only England is being targeted. I wonder if the SNP's desire to separate Scotland from the rest of the UK is playing at least some part in the terrorists thinking about what and where they attack?

Fact is, Scotland has relatively few Muslim's in comparison with England. Likewise Wales and Northern Ireland.

Mike.

[Moonlight]

Theresa May is saying "Enough is Enough", there's “far too much tolerance of extremism” so what is the silly mare going to do then, nuke Birmingham, Bradford or Leeds to equal it out a bit.?
Oh No!, she's going to increase their prison sentences, what! that's it, excuse me you daft pillock but that won't stop these ******* idiots from committing these acts of terrorism will it.

Here's a radical solution for you Theresa you silly cow, why don't you remove their citizenship if they have any kind of terrorist links and deport the evil bastards back to the country of their ancestors infestation.

^And that goes for the entire bleeding immediate family as well.

Oh no, all you'll do is more hand wringing, more bleeding crocodile tears, more of we'll stand together, its not ******* good enough you stupid prat, get rid of them from this country now or give the people of this country a vote on the death penalty for them, including those terrorists currently in the prison system, that will show the people that you intend to do something positive instead of wringing your bleeding hands again.

Rant Over, for now......

[MGR1]

Well, the UK is leaving the EU so that means the death penalty could be re-introduced.

Problem is, death is exactly what they want.

Mike.

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Well, the UK is leaving the EU so that means the death penalty could be re-introduced.

Problem is, death is exactly what they want.

Mike.

That's true, but the point is they won't be in control of the time or place of their death will they, going out with a whimper defeats their main agenda of a terrorist atrocity demise doesn't it.

[Rockstar]

Could always ship'em to Australia.

[Skybird]

They already all have started to dodge leading the ball once again. They all so far adressed, identified, talked of extremism as the problem, nobody directly seems to have mentioned the one ideology that is motivating these murderous primitives and that lends the scripture they base on. Nobody says "Islam".

Imagine this. Churchill would have declared war on Nazissism, not on Nazi-Germany, and urging his people and his American allies to not wage war against Germany, and not to fight against Nazism, only against Nazissism. The British foreign ministry pay<s money to Nazi party fat cats and finances Nazi events, money gets transfered to the Hitler regime and radar gets shared with the Wehrmacht, and Nazi cells and parties in Sweden, Chechoslowakia, and elsewhere, get funded by British taxes, while German Uboats sink British traders and German agents infiltrate Britain and do sabotage acts and build Nazi cells. And Goerings propaganda actually has nothing to do with the evil of Nazissism, says Churchill in my little alternative history scenario, and the Germans by vast majority are good Nazis, but no evil Nazissis, which makes them qualifying for our respect and tolerance and friendship, even more so since the Nazis did so much für building Britain and English culture. Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is an often misquoted book, Churchill continues, and many bad quotations are ripped out of context to abuse them for justifying the bad deeds of evil Nazissism, whereas good Nazis get led and motivated by it to live a good life or mutual friendship and respect for Jews (which Nazism always has proteced and held in high esteem, you know). And anyway, you cannot understand Mein Kamp correctly as long as you have not read it in its original language - German - , a translation is always leaving so much out. Nazism and the German people have nothing to do with the holocaust, Poland attacked Germny first, and anyhow - lets do not hold all those Germans accountable for the deeds carried out by a few Nazissis. Nazissis, and Nazi-Germany, that are two very different things. and has Germany not been terirbly offended by the Allied victory in WWI, and did Versaille not terribly radicalise the German Nazis?

Imagine Churchill would have babbled such nonsense. Maybe one day he would have ended up hanging from a lightpole after another wave of V2s have smacked into London. But this very nonsense, this utmost drivel, this mind garbage and declaration of intellectual bancruptcy, is beign babbled all the time nowadays, in the context of Islam's war against all non-Muslim mankind. A war, a power-fantasy it follows and dreams of since almost one and a half millenia now, with no end in sight. The claim is for all, and it has never been less than that, just the potence, the military ressoruces ofteh have lacked to drive forweard this cause. No peace as long as there is somethign left that still is not Islam's. What is not Muslim, is a challenge, an offence, a cause for war, it must be remoived, else there can be no peace.

Everybody is afraid of looking the enemy into his face, to meet his eyes, to provoke him this way. Everybody stares into the sky, into the opposite direction, to the ground, at the dog, the bird flying by.

Some weasels can dance on eggs as long as they want, but they cannot change the truth, reality never bends to ideology and self-censorship. "Its about Islam, stupid."

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Well, the UK is leaving the EU so that means the death penalty could be re-introduced.

Unfortunately death penalty prohibition is part of European Convention on Human Rights of 1950, not EU legislation. That convention also established European Court of Human Rights so leaving EU won't relieve you from it's jurisdication.

Originally Posted by MGR1

Problem is, death is exactly what they want.

Mike.

Yeah. Only thing they would not want is indefinite isolation from anyone else in their very own little box. However that would be considered inhumane punishment...

[Catfish]

Teresa May can say what she wants, it is not in her capability to prevent this. Most of those attackers are not immigrants, but people living in the UK for decades, with a british passport.
MI5 has already officially said that single assassins radicalising themselves are impossible to spot and detained in time. This is a confession of failure. Not that any other or european nations (sry i know the UK does not want to be 'european' but...) have better solutions, or ideas.

So the question is what can really be done instead of talking about death penalty and hysterically running around like headless chickens.
What radicalises those people? Why do some do it, and not others? Is it really Islam? Or poverty? No job? No chance for a good life? The Internet? The urge of yobs (is this br. slang, for silly teenagers?) to set a sign for whatever?

How do we get any control about this, how to prevent this. Kill all muslims? Throw them all out? But there were muslim doctors and drivers of rescue vehicles who are also muslims, and there are much more of them than terrorists. Also anyone can use a fake passport and immigrate or just visit the country later for whatever reason to assassinate, this is not the solution.
So what?

[Rockstar]

To be honest its gonna take a heckuva a lot of time to denazify islam. And until THEY see it for what it is the killing of unbelievers in the name of their peace loving god will continue.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Moonlight

Here's a radical solution for you Theresa you silly cow, why don't you remove their citizenship if they have any kind of terrorist links and deport the evil bastards back to the country of their ancestors infestation.

^And that goes for the entire bleeding immediate family as well.

I agree but what of the home grown head bangers?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

It's been reported that 5 Individuals have been arrested in connection with the terrorist events. It seems almost impossible to separate radical Islam from those who want to practice Islam in peace. Even worse, native born and Indigenous people are being radicalized and pose a danger to their fellow citizens.

I wholeheartedly agree, the onus is on the peaceful Muslims to police their own children, their spiritual leaders, and their neighbors. I said this in 2003, and I stand by it. I offer all my sympathy and support to peaceful Muslims but they are the front line of this war and if they want to avoid suspicion and violence against them, they need to step up and clean up their culture.

[em2nought]

Any kind of future UK citizenship test should clearly involve spitting on the Quran as a demonstration of primary loyalty. Free complimentary photo included, just as a little insurance.