No_Fatigue didn't work

robj250 · 04-30-06, 07:06 PM

I installed No_Fatigue mod manually as instructed on Apr 26, and today (Apr 30) while attacking a convoy all my crew went "fatigued" I cannot understand why. I thought this mod was supposed to get rid of that problem. :hmm: Robert

kiwi_2005 · 05-01-06, 04:10 AM

HAve you got SH3 Commander, just use that as theres an option to turn on No Fatique

raymond6751 · 05-01-06, 05:14 AM

Possible solution:

I have tested my idea about patrol based fatigue. Over a long day I didn't change the crew on station, even during a storm. They only tired from 25-30% in 19 hours. When sent to rest they recovered very slowly over 4-6 hours. I hope these results, when used in normal patrol operations will see the crew gradually tire until it would be noticeable at the end of a long or tough patrol.

Here are the modified parameters for the basic.cfg file. Note this is not the whole file, just the line changes.

crew sections by rank, change each rank fatigue lines to:

FatigueStep=0.01

CoefFatigue=0.02

Note: 1/10th what it was.

now down to the compartment sections.

;comp6
SpecificFactor60=-0.0025
SpecificFactor61=-0.0025
;comp7
SpecificFactor70=-0.0025
SpecificFactor71=-0.0025

Comp 6 and 7 are the crew quarters. These numbers have been changed by a lot.

Result is slower to tire crew with smaller recovery. Captain can forget about it unless on very arduous or long patrols.

Reece · 05-01-06, 06:03 AM

The edited version of Basic.cfg should be placed in your SH3\data\cfg folder, bear in mind that it will not take effect till a new patrol has been started. Just in case you haven't got the correct edited data it is:

[FATIGUE_COEF]
;comp 0
RegularFactor00=0.00
SpecificFactor00=0.00
BadWeather0=0.00
;comp1
RegularFactor10=0.00
RegularFactor11=0.00
SpecificFactor10=0.00
SpecificFactor11=0.00
BadWeather1=0.00
;comp2
RegularFactor20=0.00
RegularFactor21=0.00
SpecificFactor20=0.00
SpecificFactor21=0.00
BadWeather2=0.00
;comp3
RegularFactor30=0.00
RegularFactor31=0.00
SpecificFactor30=0.00
SpecificFactor31=0.00
BadWeather3=0.00
;comp4
RegularFactor40=0.00
RegularFactor41=0.00
SpecificFactor40=0.00
SpecificFactor41=0.00
BadWeather4=0.00
;comp5
RegularFactor50=0.00
RegularFactor51=0.00
SpecificFactor50=0.00
SpecificFactor51=0.00
BadWeather5=0.00
;comp6
SpecificFactor60=-0.1
SpecificFactor61=-0.1
;comp7
SpecificFactor70=-0.1
SpecificFactor71=-0.1
;comp8
RegularFactor80=0.00
RegularFactor81=0.00
SpecificFactor80=0.00
SpecificFactor81=0.00
BadWeather8=0.00
;comp9
RegularFactor90=0.00
SpecificFactor90=0.00
BadWeather9=0.00
;comp10
RegularFactor100=0.00
SpecificFactor100=0.00
BadWeather10=0.00
;comp 11
RegularFactor110=0.00
RegularFactor111=0.00
SpecificFactor110=0.00
SpecificFactor111=0.00
BadWeather11=0.00

But as kiwi_2005 said, use SH3 commander/options.

Hope this helps!

robj250 · 05-01-06, 06:58 AM

Thanks Reece. Captains of U-boats (I don't think they did) went around every so often and personally put the crew to bed. The crews had their regular shifts and probably followed it. So I don't think it is realistic in a "game" to make the Captain responsible for manually changing the crew,

he had more important things to do. It's a 'crock' that Ubisoft felt it necessary to put THAT responsibility on the Captain.

I am going to follow Reece's suggestion and physically change the cooefficients of the game.

Robert

STEED · 05-01-06, 07:13 AM

Just get SH3 Commander

robj250 · 05-01-06, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Just get SH3 Commander

Thank you, but I've already tried it and don't like it. It has an automatic roll-back feature

that I do not like and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Robert.

Montbrun · 05-01-06, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robj250

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Just get SH3 Commander

Thank you, but I've already tried it and don't like it. It has an automatic roll-back feature

that I do not like and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Robert.

Wow - what is there not to like? SH3 Commander gives you so much latitude with the settings, and has so many enhancements...

robj250 · 05-01-06, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

The edited version of Basic.cfg should be placed in your SH3\data\cfg folder, bear in mind that it will not take effect till a new patrol has been started. Just in case you haven't got the correct edited data it is:

[FATIGUE_COEF]
;comp 0
RegularFactor00=0.00
SpecificFactor00=0.00
BadWeather0=0.00
;comp1
RegularFactor10=0.00
RegularFactor11=0.00
SpecificFactor10=0.00
SpecificFactor11=0.00
BadWeather1=0.00
;comp2
RegularFactor20=0.00
RegularFactor21=0.00
SpecificFactor20=0.00
SpecificFactor21=0.00
BadWeather2=0.00
;comp3
RegularFactor30=0.00
RegularFactor31=0.00
SpecificFactor30=0.00
SpecificFactor31=0.00
BadWeather3=0.00
;comp4
RegularFactor40=0.00
RegularFactor41=0.00
SpecificFactor40=0.00
SpecificFactor41=0.00
BadWeather4=0.00
;comp5
RegularFactor50=0.00
RegularFactor51=0.00
SpecificFactor50=0.00
SpecificFactor51=0.00
BadWeather5=0.00
;comp6
SpecificFactor60=-0.1
SpecificFactor61=-0.1
;comp7
SpecificFactor70=-0.1
SpecificFactor71=-0.1
;comp8
RegularFactor80=0.00
RegularFactor81=0.00
SpecificFactor80=0.00
SpecificFactor81=0.00
BadWeather8=0.00
;comp9
RegularFactor90=0.00
SpecificFactor90=0.00
BadWeather9=0.00
;comp10
RegularFactor100=0.00
SpecificFactor100=0.00
BadWeather10=0.00
;comp 11
RegularFactor110=0.00
RegularFactor111=0.00
SpecificFactor110=0.00
SpecificFactor111=0.00
BadWeather11=0.00

But as kiwi_2005 said, use SH3 commander/options.

Hope this helps!

Reece: In your mod Sliding Stations Panel I was unable to find [G3F IXX]

Robert

Reece · 05-01-06, 09:35 AM

Just do a search for "Name=Group shortcuts" this should be G3F IXX the XX is that most menu_1024_768.ini files may be different mine is 21 look either side of this number (G3F I21) and you should find the one that matches the block in the readme, then edit!

If you still have problems let me know & I'll arrange for you to email the file, & I'll make the adjustments, & send it back.

Cheers.

JScones · 05-01-06, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montbrun

Quote:

Originally Posted by robj250

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Just get SH3 Commander

Thank you, but I've already tried it and don't like it. It has an automatic roll-back feature

that I do not like and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Robert.

Wow - what is there not to like? SH3 Commander gives you so much latitude with the settings, and has so many enhancements...

He refuses to read the instructions so hence doesn't understand it. His rollback comment proves this. His choice though.

STEED · 05-02-06, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montbrun

Quote:

Originally Posted by robj250

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Just get SH3 Commander

Thank you, but I've already tried it and don't like it. It has an automatic roll-back feature

that I do not like and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Robert.

Wow - what is there not to like? SH3 Commander gives you so much latitude with the settings, and has so many enhancements...

He refuses to read the instructions so hence doesn't understand it. His rollback comment proves this. His choice though.

SH3 Commander is great a very good mod

kiwi_2005 · 05-02-06, 07:52 AM

Robj250 do you know SH3Cdr gives you a commanders log of your patrols etc., probably one of the many best features in the mod. As for the Rollback feature its never been a issue - just dont click on it.

robj250 · 05-02-06, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montbrun

Quote:

Originally Posted by robj250

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Just get SH3 Commander

Thank you, but I've already tried it and don't like it. It has an automatic roll-back feature

that I do not like and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Robert.

Wow - what is there not to like? SH3 Commander gives you so much latitude with the settings, and has so many enhancements...

He refuses to read the instructions so hence doesn't understand it. His rollback comment proves this. His choice though.

I HAVE read the instructions and as long as SH3 Commander has the automatic ROLLBACK feature, I will not use it. I have just been promoted, using german ranks (U-Boot commanders do NOT use the American rank system and if some of your users prefer to use American ranks, that's up to them) so I'm not going to install it again to just have my rank rolled back by your programme, so stop bugging me about it and talking to other people about my refusal to use it. If and when I decide to use it I will let you know, however I am using another compatable SH3 programme.

robj250 · 05-02-06, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Robj250 do you know SH3Cdr gives you a commanders log of your patrols etc., probably one of the many best features in the mod. As for the Rollback feature its never been a issue - just dont click on it.

With SH3Cdr as I understand it, once I launch SH3 through SH3Cdr, Commander does an automatic roll back which I, as the player have no control over and I'm not comfortable with that. I realize Commander can do a lot of things for me, but I don't like the automatic roll back thing.

04-30-06, 07:06 PM	#1
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	No_Fatigue didn't work I installed No_Fatigue mod manually as instructed on Apr 26, and today (Apr 30) while attacking a convoy all my crew went "fatigued" I cannot understand why. I thought this mod was supposed to get rid of that problem. :hmm: Robert

05-01-06, 04:10 AM	#2
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	HAve you got SH3 Commander, just use that as theres an option to turn on No Fatique __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

05-01-06, 05:14 AM	#3
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	try this Possible solution: I have tested my idea about patrol based fatigue. Over a long day I didn't change the crew on station, even during a storm. They only tired from 25-30% in 19 hours. When sent to rest they recovered very slowly over 4-6 hours. I hope these results, when used in normal patrol operations will see the crew gradually tire until it would be noticeable at the end of a long or tough patrol. Here are the modified parameters for the basic.cfg file. Note this is not the whole file, just the line changes. crew sections by rank, change each rank fatigue lines to: FatigueStep=0.01 CoefFatigue=0.02 Note: 1/10th what it was. now down to the compartment sections. ;comp6 SpecificFactor60=-0.0025 SpecificFactor61=-0.0025 ;comp7 SpecificFactor70=-0.0025 SpecificFactor71=-0.0025 Comp 6 and 7 are the crew quarters. These numbers have been changed by a lot. Result is slower to tire crew with smaller recovery. Captain can forget about it unless on very arduous or long patrols.

05-01-06, 06:03 AM	#4
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,720 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	The edited version of Basic.cfg should be placed in your SH3\data\cfg folder, bear in mind that it will not take effect till a new patrol has been started. Just in case you haven't got the correct edited data it is: [FATIGUE_COEF] ;comp 0 RegularFactor00=0.00 SpecificFactor00=0.00 BadWeather0=0.00 ;comp1 RegularFactor10=0.00 RegularFactor11=0.00 SpecificFactor10=0.00 SpecificFactor11=0.00 BadWeather1=0.00 ;comp2 RegularFactor20=0.00 RegularFactor21=0.00 SpecificFactor20=0.00 SpecificFactor21=0.00 BadWeather2=0.00 ;comp3 RegularFactor30=0.00 RegularFactor31=0.00 SpecificFactor30=0.00 SpecificFactor31=0.00 BadWeather3=0.00 ;comp4 RegularFactor40=0.00 RegularFactor41=0.00 SpecificFactor40=0.00 SpecificFactor41=0.00 BadWeather4=0.00 ;comp5 RegularFactor50=0.00 RegularFactor51=0.00 SpecificFactor50=0.00 SpecificFactor51=0.00 BadWeather5=0.00 ;comp6 SpecificFactor60=-0.1 SpecificFactor61=-0.1 ;comp7 SpecificFactor70=-0.1 SpecificFactor71=-0.1 ;comp8 RegularFactor80=0.00 RegularFactor81=0.00 SpecificFactor80=0.00 SpecificFactor81=0.00 BadWeather8=0.00 ;comp9 RegularFactor90=0.00 SpecificFactor90=0.00 BadWeather9=0.00 ;comp10 RegularFactor100=0.00 SpecificFactor100=0.00 BadWeather10=0.00 ;comp 11 RegularFactor110=0.00 RegularFactor111=0.00 SpecificFactor110=0.00 SpecificFactor111=0.00 BadWeather11=0.00 But as kiwi_2005 said, use SH3 commander/options. Hope this helps! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-01-06, 06:58 AM	#5
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Captains on U-Boats Thanks Reece. Captains of U-boats (I don't think they did) went around every so often and personally put the crew to bed. The crews had their regular shifts and probably followed it. So I don't think it is realistic in a "game" to make the Captain responsible for manually changing the crew, he had more important things to do. It's a 'crock' that Ubisoft felt it necessary to put THAT responsibility on the Captain. I am going to follow Reece's suggestion and physically change the cooefficients of the game. Robert

05-01-06, 07:13 AM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Just get SH3 Commander __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-01-06, 09:35 AM	#10
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,720 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Just do a search for "Name=Group shortcuts" this should be G3F IXX the XX is that most menu_1024_768.ini files may be different mine is 21 look either side of this number (G3F I21) and you should find the one that matches the block in the readme, then edit! If you still have problems let me know & I'll arrange for you to email the file, & I'll make the adjustments, & send it back. Cheers. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

05-02-06, 07:52 AM	#13
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Robj250 do you know SH3Cdr gives you a commanders log of your patrols etc., probably one of the many best features in the mod. As for the Rollback feature its never been a issue - just dont click on it. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.