Overrated events/persons in history?

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

Lewis Hamilton, anybody?

I can't bring myself to consider him one of F1's greatest. I feel like that if he didn't have such a good team of engineers, mechanics, etc behind him he wouldn't be where he is. I feel that everybody gives him credit for what the Mercedes team (and McLaren before, although he had some problems with them) has done for him. I'm not saying he's not good...he's a damn good driver but I don't consider him a living legend by any means. He comes across to me as a guy who takes advantage of a good situation and tries to do too much with it.

EDIT: Opinion is the same regardless of whether or not I have the big Scuderia Ferrari signature. I'd feel the same way, either way.

Got to agree with Lewis Hamilton, his heads that big I am surprised that he can walk through the door, and I could win the F1 championship in the car he as been given to drive.

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by STEED

I just don't get this Beatles mania that is still here today!

They were rubbish and very over rated.

And they are\were scouses......

[Betonov]

Maltese falcon: fell asleep watching it and after second wiewing still found it boring.

Andy Warhol: so he retouched existing images into an ''artsy colory''

Crime and punishment: first part OK, second part an epic about sitting in a prison cell. Cut it down to the same lenght as the first part and you get Shawshank redemption

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Can you name me a world champion that won said position with a poor underperforming car and similar backup team?

I wasn't at all saying that he's not talented. He's a damn good driver to even be in Formula One and a better one to win but a lot of that has to do with the fact that the Mercedes engineers have crafted the almost-perfect racing car this season.

It's exactly my point. He's a good driver...but he wouldn't be winning if the car wasn't so well put together. Take Fernando Alonso...great driver but awful car. My Ford Focus could probably nearly beat the McLaren-Honda this year. (Not being serious...but insulting McLaren-Honda is necessary)

Originally Posted by BossMark

Got to agree with Lewis Hamilton, his heads that big I am surprised that he can walk through the door, and I could win the F1 championship in the car he as been given to drive.

This whole thing on turn one of the US GP with him and Rosberg just goes to prove the point. Hamilton "under-steered into" his teammate and then claims he did nothing wrong. Then the guy says “Everyone has the right to their own opinion but it doesn’t matter because I won the race so I feel pretty good about it.” Yeah, Rosberg ran wide later and gave up the lead to Hammy but that's unrelated.

Meanwhile, Rosberg is pissed...and it's not the first time this happened either. They crashed at Spa last year.

I just can't bring myself to like the guy or think that he deserves the hype that he gets. I feel like Rosberg would be better off with a different teammate...I feel like he deserves a better teammate whether he's with Mercedes or not in the coming years.

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This is why WRC, WEC and WTCC is more entertaining. No drama.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Can you name me a world champion that won said position with a poor underperforming car and similar backup team?

Juan Manuel Fangio, 1957.

Just my opinion, of course.

[mapuc]

This thread is very interesting to follow, I don't have any person my self I think is overrated. I guess every historical and/or famous person or event have been more or less overrated.

Markus

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Juan Manuel Fangio, 1957.

Just my opinion, of course.

Michael Schumacher 1994.
Just my opinion.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Michael Schumacher 1994.
Just my opinion.

Everything was against him that year too with the cheating controversies and such.

Damn shame, the accident he had.

[Stealhead]

Everyone cheats in motorsports. Sometimes teams get caught. Especially in Formula One with the amount of money teams spend and the reputations to protect. I gurantee that today in F1 they are cheating in ways that the inspectors haven't even thought of.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Continuing on the theme of WWII, I want to take a different stance and promote something, or rather someone, who is rather underrated and indeed has come to symbolise the failures which lead to the war.

Neville Chamberlain.

A name often associated with one action at one place, the treaty of Munich, but Chamberlain did so much more than that. In fact, he presided over the steady armament and preparation of Britain for an outbreak of war in Europe. Churchill came in as PM when it had all been completed, and carried in Britain in the defence and then offensive, but Chamberlain was the PM who laid the groundwork.
It's just a pity that all he is remembered for is a mistake in his foreign policy, but there's a lot of Presidents and Prime Minister who have history like that.

Mainly agree but Chamberlain was never going to lead us to victory.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I wasn't at all saying that he's not talented. He's a damn good driver to even be in Formula One and a better one to win but a lot of that has to do with the fact that the Mercedes engineers have crafted the almost-perfect racing car this season.

It's exactly my point. He's a good driver...but he wouldn't be winning if the car wasn't so well put together. Take Fernando Alonso...great driver but awful car. My Ford Focus could probably nearly beat the McLaren-Honda this year. (Not being serious...but insulting McLaren-Honda is necessary)



This whole thing on turn one of the US GP with him and Rosberg just goes to prove the point. Hamilton "under-steered into" his teammate and then claims he did nothing wrong. Then the guy says “Everyone has the right to their own opinion but it doesn’t matter because I won the race so I feel pretty good about it.” Yeah, Rosberg ran wide later and gave up the lead to Hammy but that's unrelated.

Meanwhile, Rosberg is pissed...and it's not the first time this happened either. They crashed at Spa last year.

I just can't bring myself to like the guy or think that he deserves the hype that he gets. I feel like Rosberg would be better off with a different teammate...I feel like he deserves a better teammate whether he's with Mercedes or not in the coming years.

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This is why WRC, WEC and WTCC is more entertaining. No drama.

TBH and in all fairness I feel similarly regarding 'Finger Man' Vettel.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

TBH and in all fairness I feel similarly regarding 'Finger Man' Vettel.

If you feel that way about Vettel, I'll allow it. Never liked him all that much when he was at Red Bull, but he's doing his job for Ferrari. He's winning points so I can't complain. Kimi isn't in the points so somebody has to.

It's hard being a Ferrari fan lately. Raikkonen and Verstappen are my guys...I just wish Kimi would get it together. Hopefully, Verstappen will make a move to Ferrari by 2017. Bottas would've been a good snag too but Williams sayeth he stayeth.

On a side note, I'm really excited to see what Haas F1 can do in the future.

[ikalugin]

How about... Apple? I am not sure how it works in the Western countries, but in Russia people buy Apple stuff just b/c of brand loyalty.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

How about... Apple? I am not sure how it works in the Western countries, but in Russia people buy Apple stuff just b/c of brand loyalty.

Its the same here in the US trendy more than anything. What really gets me is their adds they ran "engineered in America" but of course they don't say its made in China for a substantial amount less than the price tag. Of course that last part is true for any smartphone.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

How about... Apple? I am not sure how it works in the Western countries, but in Russia people buy Apple stuff just b/c of brand loyalty.

100% agree with this. Apple is evil, IMHO.