Kim Davis Jailed

Armistead · 09-05-15, 08:11 PM

Seems to be a big story, so what say you guys. Does her religious beliefs trump civil rights law.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/03/po...l?eref=edition

Onkel Neal · 09-05-15, 08:12 PM

Hasn't she been married something like 4 times? No story here.

Armistead · 09-05-15, 08:56 PM

Yes, she has, but because she got saved {again} her sin doesn't count. However, it's not sin being the issue, it's becoming a debate do a person's religious rights trump another person's civil rights. Should we allow people such as her religious accomodations.

Torplexed · 09-05-15, 09:13 PM

I believe Americans do have the right to refuse to perform a service if they feel doing so would violate their religious or political beliefs, their morality etc. They just have to be willing to accept the fact there may be legal consequences for doing so. While I don't agree with this woman's position (I think the law is clear) I don't have a big problem with a county clerk here or there who says, "I'm sorry I can't do this, I resign." But on the other hand, you don't get to collect the wages of sin ($80,000 a year in a rural county) while taking a stand for holiness, which is what she is doing right now.

However, one reason she's not resigning of course is that her position as county clerk has become something of a hereditary office. Her predecessor was her mother and she's got her son waiting in the wings. Louis XVI was similarly situated. It did not work out entirely well for him.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 09-05-15, 10:05 PM

I was wondering how long it would take before someone brought this up. As I see it while she has the right to practice her religious beliefs at home or in a place of worship, I'm not entirely sure she has the right to do so as a federal employee who has sworn to uphold the law which is this case is that a homosexual marriage is legal in all fifty states and like Torplexed said the law is pretty clear on this. On the other hand if she thought that issuing a marriage license to a gay couple goes against her religion and her beliefs why didn't she resign or at least change her job to something less "offensive" those beliefs?

Also I'm not sure that the issue of gay marriage should of become a political issue unless maybe we put it a national vote like Ireland did, although it would be very unlikely that would of ever happened.

Buddahaid · 09-05-15, 10:29 PM

It's simple really. If her religious beliefs are in conflict with her performing her job she should step down, or let someone else in the office do it.

As it is she should be fired for refusing to do as ordered.

Betonov · 09-06-15, 12:55 AM

She did broke the law while refusing as lawfull service as a civil worker.

BossMark · 09-06-15, 02:34 AM

Who is Kim Davies?

Eichhörnchen · 09-06-15, 02:43 AM

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Wolferz · 09-06-15, 04:29 AM

Who falsely assumes that her religion gives her the right to judge in the place of her deity.

Kind of like that now jobless judge in Tennessee who thought she had the religious right to decide who can bear the name Messiah.

Mrs Davis, like so many others, needs to resign her elected post and just STFU!

swamprat69er · 09-06-15, 04:55 AM

I think that she should resign before she gets her ass fired!
She may have 'freedom of religon' but that is only to worship whomever/whatever diety she wishes, this does not give her the right to jam it down some elses' throat. It also doesn't give her the right to disobey the court.
That is my 2 cents on it, now I will shut up and mind my own dam business.

Betonov · 09-06-15, 05:31 AM

Jimbuna · 09-06-15, 05:38 AM

She took an oath then broke it...stand down.

u crank · 09-06-15, 05:44 AM

If every single person who worked for the government were to perform their duties according to their own personal, or religious beliefs we would have chaos. That is why there are rules in place about how these workers perform. Do your job correctly or lose it. No exceptions.

I've read the Bible. Refresh my memory. Where does it say anything about marriage licenses?

Betonov · 09-06-15, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by u crank

I've read the Bible. Refresh my memory. Where does it say anything about marriage licenses?

Even Jezus talked about the separation of state and church: give to God what belongs to God and to ceasar what belongs to ceasar.

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Yes, she has, but because she got saved {again} her sin doesn't count. However, it's not sin being the issue, it's becoming a debate do a person's religious rights trump another person's civil rights. Should we allow people such as her religious accomodations. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

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Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I believe Americans do have the right to refuse to perform a service if they feel doing so would violate their religious or political beliefs, their morality etc. They just have to be willing to accept the fact there may be legal consequences for doing so. While I don't agree with this woman's position (I think the law is clear) I don't have a big problem with a county clerk here or there who says, "I'm sorry I can't do this, I resign." But on the other hand, you don't get to collect the wages of sin ($80,000 a year in a rural county) while taking a stand for holiness, which is what she is doing right now. However, one reason she's not resigning of course is that her position as county clerk has become something of a hereditary office. Her predecessor was her mother and she's got her son waiting in the wings. Louis XVI was similarly situated. It did not work out entirely well for him. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

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Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I was wondering how long it would take before someone brought this up. As I see it while she has the right to practice her religious beliefs at home or in a place of worship, I'm not entirely sure she has the right to do so as a federal employee who has sworn to uphold the law which is this case is that a homosexual marriage is legal in all fifty states and like Torplexed said the law is pretty clear on this. On the other hand if she thought that issuing a marriage license to a gay couple goes against her religion and her beliefs why didn't she resign or at least change her job to something less "offensive" those beliefs? Also I'm not sure that the issue of gay marriage should of become a political issue unless maybe we put it a national vote like Ireland did, although it would be very unlikely that would of ever happened. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin Last edited by Kptlt. Neuerburg; 09-05-15 at 10:15 PM.

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,327 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	It's simple really. If her religious beliefs are in conflict with her performing her job she should step down, or let someone else in the office do it. As it is she should be fired for refusing to do as ordered. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Just another hypocrit... Who falsely assumes that her religion gives her the right to judge in the place of her deity. Kind of like that now jobless judge in Tennessee who thought she had the religious right to decide who can bear the name Messiah. Mrs Davis, like so many others, needs to resign her elected post and just STFU!

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swamprat69er Aceydeucy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 1,889 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I think that she should resign before she gets her ass fired! She may have 'freedom of religon' but that is only to worship whomever/whatever diety she wishes, this does not give her the right to jam it down some elses' throat. It also doesn't give her the right to disobey the court. That is my 2 cents on it, now I will shut up and mind my own dam business. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That which does not kill us, makes us stronger. We the willing, led by the unsure, have done so much with so little, for so long, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

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u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,747 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	If every single person who worked for the government were to perform their duties according to their own personal, or religious beliefs we would have chaos. That is why there are rules in place about how these workers perform. Do your job correctly or lose it. No exceptions. I've read the Bible. Refresh my memory. Where does it say anything about marriage licenses? __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke