Breakthrough? Iran Agrees to Suspend Nuke Program

[Onkel Neal]

Well, if this is as it seems, not bad, Obama.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...l-reached.html

Iran and world powers led by the United States have agreed to suspend the country’s nuclear program. Overall, the deal will remove two-thirds of Iran’s capacity to build a nuclear bomb and allow observers to monitor the remaining capacity for 10 years. Iran will slash the number of its centrifuges (used to enrich uranium to weapons-grade quality) to 6,000 from 19,000. Of those 6,000 centrifuges, 5,000 will continue to enrich uranium of no more than 3.67 percent purity (not weapons-grade) for at least 15 years. Most of Iran’s existing stockpile of enriched uranium will be diluted to that level or shipped abroad. The entire nuclear regime will be opened to inspections by the International Atomic Energy Agency. The agreement would push Iran’s estimated “breakout” capacity to build a nuclear weapon to more than a year from two to three months.

Wouldn't it be nice to normalize relations with Iran, and get them to stop supporting extremists groups, as well as continually threatening Israel? Maybe this is a start.

Or, maybe I am being naive. Time will tell.

[GoldenRivet]

looks like we will be sending in some Hans Blix type to inspect wherever the Iranians allow them to look now.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, if this is as it seems, not bad, Obama.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/...l-reached.html



Wouldn't it be nice to normalize relations with Iran, and get them to stop supporting extremists groups, as well as continually threatening Israel? Maybe this is a start.

Or, maybe I am being naive. Time will tell.

Strikes me that the horse is a bit out of the barn though as the Pakistani's have the bomb...and missiles; and we never fuss. Considering their own radical Islamic issues and that they hid Osama bin Laden a few blocks from their military academy for years till we invaded 'an ally' and dealt with it ourselves, we shouldn't sleep a wink.

Why exactly does 'Murica think it has the right to tell Iran what to do in their country on the other side of the world?
Did America get rid of all the doomsday boomers roaming the seas, or the lil toys the B2 might drop?
Any nuclear stuff of them gone?

No?

Why tell others to get rid of them/not acquire them in the first place.
Seriously, this is so hypocritical, it is beyond measure.

Oh right, I forgot.
They are the 'good guys'... and Iranians are the bad guys, all cool!

[Oberon]

Eh, to be fair to the US, they are signatories to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and various arms reduction treaties with Russia. Some of which still exist...

Originally Posted by Oberon

Eh, to be fair to the US, they are signatories to the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and various arms reduction treaties with Russia. Some of which still exist...

They can still eradicate mankind, together with all the other countries that have nukes.

So what do these cute treaties really do?
Nothing.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

They can still eradicate mankind, together with all the other countries that have nukes.

So what do these cute treaties really do?
Nothing.

Trouble is, like all disarmament, it's a stand-off. Actions can only be taken multilaterally rather than unilaterally.
We're facing a similar situation in the UK with Trident, there's more than a couple of calls to scrap our nuclear deterrent rather than renew or replace it.
It would save a lot of money, this is true, but the whole point of having that deterrent, and the point that France has it too, is to remind that whoever decides to drop a nuclear warhead on British soil would have to consider the likelihood of us returning the favour. It's not something that you can do if you don't have the means to retaliate.

[mapuc]

Maybe I'm asking the wrong question- can we prevent Iran from getting the bomb ?

I haven't really read the agreement in detail.

Markus

Originally Posted by Oberon

Trouble is, like all disarmament, it's a stand-off. Actions can only be taken multilaterally rather than unilaterally.
We're facing a similar situation in the UK with Trident, there's more than a couple of calls to scrap our nuclear deterrent rather than renew or replace it.
It would save a lot of money, this is true, but the whole point of having that deterrent, and the point that France has it too, is to remind that whoever decides to drop a nuclear warhead on British soil would have to consider the likelihood of us returning the favour. It's not something that you can do if you don't have the means to retaliate.

Because murdering the other country back would make such a difference...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Because murdering the other country back would make such a difference...

Yes, that's the problem. It does make a difference. If someone could cripple their enemies and not face such a crippling attack themselves, don't you think that they would do it? If the Empire of Japan had possessed nuclear weapons and the ability to deploy them over the US mainland, do you really think that the US government would have authorised the dropping of Fat Man and Little Boy?

[Betonov]

I all honesty, the Iranians are idiots.
I stated before on this forum, I'll state it again. Iranian tourism is booming DESPITE them being the axis of evil and ''we wantz the A-bomb''.
Imagine them loosing that reputation.

I know, I know, I get it.
It just makes me... furious. Nukes I mean.
Mankind is toying with this stuff like it's candy, being as irresponsible as one can be.
When I see documentaries about SSBNs I could puke when they talk with a pride-swollen chest, explaining how many times just one of these things could eradicate mankind.
Now isn't that cool...

War is bad enough with conventional weapons but nukes... they change everything. And they make me damn nervous - no matter in who's hands they are. People are people.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Why exactly does 'Murica think it has the right to tell Iran what to do in their country on the other side of the world?
Did America get rid of all the doomsday boomers roaming the seas, or the lil toys the B2 might drop?
Any nuclear stuff of them gone?

No?

Why tell others to get rid of them/not acquire them in the first place.
Seriously, this is so hypocritical, it is beyond measure.

Oh right, I forgot.
They are the 'good guys'... and Iranians are the bad guys, all cool!

Well, yeah. We are the good guys. Hypocrisy doesn't matter much when small groups of Islamic extremists have WMD. Be practical, man.

Yeah, nuclear weapons are worrisome, I'm with you on that. But, reality.

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, yeah. We are the good guys.

Guess the Iranians say the same... and I can only, respectfully, disagree with you.

[Onkel Neal]

No problem, a lot of people share your opinion.