Terrorist attack in Paris on French magazine

[Mr Quatro]

Well planed attack out of what, jealousy?

Did you see one of the shooters coming back to the car and bending down to pick up something on the ground?

Looked like a clip for his gun empty or not I do not know.

They had this on some kind of vengeance list a long time ago.

Odd that Egypt has declared war on religion the day before the attack. Not on Catholics or Christians, but on radical extremist.

Keep the jokes down for sure

[Penguin]

Having worked for a satire show for years, this hits damned close.
Satire is one of my personal holy pillars.

The german Titanic magazine reacted properly and put an elder cover on their website (don't click if drawn penises offend you).
Translation: comparative religion

Their editor in chief and MEP, Martin Sonneborn gave an appropriate statement on facebook.

"Das ist nicht komisch. Mit Anzeigen, Abokündigungen oder Kalaschnikow-Geballer auf Satire zu reagieren, gilt in der Szene als unfein. Unser Mitleid gilt den Franz. Kollegen. Bei Titanic könnte so etwas nicht passieren, wir haben nur 6 Redakteure."

"That's not funny. Reacting to satire with police reports, quitting subscribtions or shooting Kalashnikovs is seen as ungentlemanly in the scene. Our compassion is with the French colleagues. This could not happen at our magazine, as we have only 6 editors."

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Penguin

The german Titanic magazine reacted properly and put an elder cover on their website
(...)
"That's not funny. Reacting to satire with police reports, quitting subscribtions or shooting Kalashnikovs is seen as ungentlemanly in the scene. Our compassion is with the French colleagues. This could not happen at our magazine, as we have only 6 editors."

That's the spirit!

I assume they are no vegetarians... (for the sensible of hearts: that is called an insider joke )

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Well, just look at the numbers of so called moderates that want to ban free speech against Muhammad and are OK for those that offend their religion to be killed.

Against a global population of 1.8bn how many Muslims have called for those who offend Islam to be killed? As with any religion, ideology or political group, the ones who speak the loudest get all the attention.

The only ones that can drive a true wedge are moderate Muslims, which mean they have to go to war in mass against radical, in principle and law. The fact is Islam run states won't do this.

Sadly you are correct, I think many Islam run states are scared of the changing of the status quo. There are moderates who want to change things, but they are...oddly enough, mostly in the west, where they can speak out about changing things without worrying about being arrested like the poor sods who put a youtube video of them dancing on the internet.
How much of this is politics and how much is religion is debatable, but the two do play a big part in it.

In nations like France large radical populations are growing,

Not just France, across Europe...and not just in Islam too, the rise of parties like the NF, the UKIP coalition with far-right Polish political groups and the ease in which Europeans heap all the ills of the world upon either illegal or legal immigrants and Muslims is rather disturbing and yet a strange sense of deja vu...

you have possible 1000's joining ISIS and other radical groups and they seem to have free roam back and forth....

That's the trouble with Europe, as you chaps in the States have found with Mexico...it's hard to maintain and defend a land border against people who are determined to leak through them.

It's eventually going to turn into a civil war or clash of civilizations. Radicals only want to grow and terror so much as they keep gaining power,

I think that clash has been happening since 2001 really, they bomb us, we get terrified of Muslims, which alienates more Muslims who go to the extremists who recruit these Muslims to bomb us, which makes us get terrified of Muslims...and so on and so forth.
People from both sides of the political spectrum then jump in to add their fuel to the fire, and stoke the flames even higher which just pushes more people into extremism, and so on and so forth.

but eventually we'll all be involved in another major ME war..

It is quite likely, I can't see this cycle breaking any time soon.

The only thing that can reform Islam is Islam....

This is true, and there are those who are trying, and in a way the actions of the extremists and our reactions will encourage them to try harder, but you can't turn a supertanker on a dime. I mean, look how long it took to reform Christianity. Our role, really, should be rather than to make the jobs of those trying to reform Islam harder by doing exactly what the extremists want (classify all Muslims as a threat), we should help the reformers by combatting the extremists without stooping to their level.

[Betonov]

The satirical media responded well. More satire means less fear.



I fear what the mainstreams will do. They'll overanalyse, overblow, overcomment and sell another few truckloads of fear to a population (not just France) that could do without.
Let's not mention the politicians.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

https://twitter.com/MANJULtoons/stat...352320/photo/1

https://twitter.com/MicheleLaroque/s...179072/photo/1

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Against a global population of 1.8bn how many Muslims have called for those who offend Islam to be killed? As with any religion, ideology or political group, the ones who speak the loudest get all the attention.

Most Germans did not kill a Jew or abused or dealt with a Jew themselves during the Nazi tyranny, seen that way they were "innocent" and peaceful. To say that the rise of the regime and Nazism had nothing to do with the Germans, nevertheless would be wrong. The Third Reich was not just anybody or nobody, it was the Germans.

[Tchocky]

This is beautiful

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Betonov

The satirical media responded well. More satire means less fear.



I fear what the mainstreams will do. They'll overanalyse, overblow, overcomment and sell another few truckloads of fear to a population (not just France) that could do without.
Let's not mention the politicians.

That cartoon is spot on, as indeed many cartoonists and comics are.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Most Germans did not kill a Jew or abused or dealt with a Jew themselves during the Nazi tyranny, seen that way they were "innocent" and peaceful. To say that the rise of the regime and Nazism had nothing to do with the Germans, nevertheless would be wrong. The Third Reich was not just anybody or nobody, it was the Germans.

Does this mean that it is acceptable to call all Germans Nazis and that there was no resistance against the Third Reich?

Let me answer that, no it is not acceptable to call all Germans Nazis because not all of them were, many of them just wanted to survive without being noticed by the state, and some of them thought that some of the things that the Nazis said about the Jews and Communists was not necessarily incorrect. Did they want the Jews exterminated? Most likely not, but they were happy to see Hitler take the power back from the fat cat Jews and tackle the threat of international communism.
So...does that mean that all Muslims are radicals? According to more than a couple on here, yes...and so therefore, one must conclude that all Germans were Nazis.

There was also resistance against the Third Reich, from within Germany itself, the much publicised attempts on Hitlers lives, as well as the attempts of the White Rose movement, as doomed as they were. There is also resistance against Radical Islam from within Islam, as well as attempts at reformation, attempts that frighten and scare the radicals and the old Imams who hate change in any manner. Therefore these brave men and women who lead these movements often find themselves imprisoned, tortured and killed, and yet others continue in their place. So rather than push Muslims towards extremism by treating them all as extremists, we should encourage them away from extremists and towards reformists, of course our good friends in Riyadh probably wouldn't approve of us doing that...

[vanjast]

Before you go off marching to war.. a different thought.

Could this be the work of non-muslims.. who want to escalate the religeous war which is currently simmering ? If you think of this.. there have been a few attempts at this already but it has not led to to any conclusion. !!

Has anybody claimed their 'fame' for this dirty work, yet

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh yeah, there it shows up again: this dream of a "moderate Islam". Not even six hours from first calling the news to mentioning moderate Islam - not bad, but it could be mentioned even faster!

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Try to keep the ideology to a minimum. Discuss the news, add your opinion, but try not to ruin this into the ground

The original version of this was locked for a reason. Please try to keep that from happening a second time.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by vanjast

Before you go off marching to war.. a different thought.

Could this be the work of non-muslims.. who want to escalate the religeous war which is currently simmering ? If you think of this.. there have been a few attempts at this already but it has not led to to any conclusion. !!

Has anybody claimed their 'fame' for this dirty work, yet

I imagine many Muslims in France are probably praying to Allah for this to be the case, but I don't think it'll pan out that way. I think, like the Australian siege, it's a small group of ideologists who have become radicalised. Although their equipment is something that the French investigation team is going to be looking at deeply, how they managed to get such explosive weaponry, that is a big question.
Unfortunately this sort of attack is something to be expected in this new type of warfare, we take the drones and the planes to them, and the people in their streets, they radicalise people in our backyard who equip themselves and take the fight to us in the streets.
Perhaps one day something will happen and things will simmer down again for a few centuries, but until then we'll just have to wearily accept the occasional attack that leaks through.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Against a global population of 1.8bn how many Muslims have called for those who offend Islam to be killed? As with any religion, ideology or political group, the ones who speak the loudest get all the attention.

My problem with that is that it happens every day. Al Kaida, Boko Haram, Al Nusra, Al Shabab, Hamas, IS, ...the list seems endless. Almost every day we hear about another extremist atrocity commited in the name of Allah and then the the standard appeasement phrase that that has nothing to do with Islam. I don't buy it anymore it happens too often for that and it's always the same religion that's supposed to be the scape goat.
Maybe if we see a demonstration of 15.000 Muslims in Paris against those extremists I get some hope again.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

My problem with that is that it happens every day. Al Kaida, Boko Haram, Al Nusra, Al Shabab, Hamas, IS, ...the list seems endless. Almost every day we hear about another extremist atrocity commited in the name of Allah and then the the standard appeasement phrase that that has nothing to do with Islam. I don't buy it anymore it happens too often for that and it's always the same religion that's supposed to be the scape goat.
Maybe if we see a demonstration of 15.000 Muslims in Paris against those extremists I get some hope again.

Add to this the simple and undeniable statistical fact that for the x-th year in a row, Christians are the most prosecuted religious group worldwide. China and the Muslim world lead the list of prosecutors.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by vanjast

Could this be the work of non-muslims.. who want to escalate the religeous war which is currently simmering ?

Did you think the same about the attacks on Theo van Goch, Lars Vilks or Kurt Westergaard?

I think extremist muslims are the ones who'd gain the most from this attack. First by making the statement "Don't screw with us" plus the eventual repercussions are a top recruitment tool for the nutters. If "The West" had any interest in a war against muslims, they might have made some efforts before the withdrawls in Iraq and Afghanistan.