Falklands War 2?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Before this thread goes much further I'd like to remind the viewers that we do have a few Argentinian's on these boards, all (that I've communicated with) seem against further conflict no matter what their thoughts are on the disputed lands, and all are very nice people.

Carry on peeps.

But we can still send Steed, right?

[vanjast]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Before this thread goes much further I'd like to remind the viewers that we do have a few Argentinian's on these boards, all (that I've communicated with) seem against further conflict no matter what their thoughts are on the disputed lands, and all are very nice people.

Difficult if your Gov is getting aggressive, and talking BS to the world.
I get the same crap from EU coz I'm a white ZA.. Oh you're racist coz you're a white ZA.
A little reminder would be What are the current racist and sexist laws in the ZA law books.. YUP.. have a look?

[ikalugin]

Wouldn't Argentina want long endurance planes if they were to attempt resting the islands? I mean grippens make batter sense and air defense planes.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Bonus if they fly a pirate flag.

Wouldn't want the flag bit...we all know what that means.



I don't think the Argentine economy at present could fund or even equip a military intervention nor do I believe the UK have the means to reinforce the islands at short notice. They do however have sufficient means on the islands to hold out till assets are brought to bear.

Most importantly, neither side wants to turn to armed aggression so the only way forward is a diplomatic one but that won't be easy when you consider the wishes of the islands inhabitants.

The article in the OP IMHO was nothing short of an attempt at sensational scaremongering.

[Oberon]

Jims got it on the head, the sheep and penguins on the Falkvinas are not going to lose any sleep over it, it's just another part of the old razzle dazzle that is the diplomatic wrangling over the islands, same as Spain and Gibraltar.
Nowt will come of it, not now, not in a decade, beyond that is anyones best guess.

[ikalugin]

Says military budget of 1 percent and 5 billion. So if they were to expand their defence spending to 5 percent of GDP, and spending 20 billion of that on straight up arms procurement every year, they could get in a year (provided for instant production ofc):
- 200 Su30 series (50m a piece, 100m for two, 1b for 20, 10b for 200).
- 30 Improved Kilo class submarines.



I am horrified.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

if they were to expand their defence spending to 5 percent of GDP

Then Buenos Aires would probably look like this:

[ikalugin]

Well then you could double it over the course of next 4 years and get the same amount of gear. Which is still horrifying.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Well then you could double it over the course of next 4 years and get the same amount of gear. Which is still horrifying.

If anyone would sell it to you because your economy would have tanked even more than previously thought possible, and then you'd probably have been overthrown by a military junta who despite the promise of new guns, have realised that they actually can't afford them without turning into Weimar Germany and have decided to remove the person who has made the silly decision to up defense spending to a level higher than most western nations spend on their military.

[ikalugin]

Raising military budget to 2 percent of the GDP is not all that bad. And even 1 year of such allows them to have 50 flankers and 6-8 Improved Kilos.

Which is still decent.

And military Junta would probably love those arms anyway.

[STEED]

Now now jim, you of all people should know the 2nd war has been cancelled due to you mate Cameron.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Raising military budget to 2 percent of the GDP is not all that bad. And even 1 year of such allows them to have 50 flankers and 6-8 Improved Kilos.

Which is still decent.

And military Junta would probably love those arms anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...y_of_Argentina

[ikalugin]

http://data.worldbank.org/country/argentina
Says 611 billion GDP in 2013.

One percent of this (a very small budget for arms procurement in my opinion) is 6 billion USD, thus they should be more than capable of supporting a 5 year long 20 billion program. Even Chilie spends more on defense than that.

[Betonov]

It also has a 7% unemployment level and a 30% of people below poverty line, a budget deficit, 45% of public dept and a 20% inflation and if the working Juan finds out that 6 billions are being used in military and not fixing the economy he will become a rioting Juan or worse, voting for someone else.


https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/ar.html

[ikalugin]

Well, ok. But I don't think it works that way in non democratic countries, as you can't vote for the other party. As there is no other party with Junta.