Disclaimer

[Type XXIII]

I'm going to add a link to this in my sig as well.

I am not a muslim, neither am I so pro-Islam as I may appear. I tend to voice my disagreement more often than my agreement, (after all, that's what discussions are for,) and, since I'm less anti-Islam than the majority on these forums, I appear pro-Islam, and according to some, naïve.

My posts supporting Islam are merely intended as a counterweight to the anti-muslim sentiments on these forums. And, naturally, because it's much more fun to discuss when we disagree. (You're lucky there's not much discussions about economic systems, I'm much more fierce when defending socialism than I am when defending Islam.)

[STEED]

That’s not legal you need to make it into a legal document under the law.

[Sixpack]

Defending Islam and socialism ????

How far is the nearest settlement of men from where you live ?

[Type XXIII]

Depends on how many men you need for a settlement.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Type XXIII

My posts supporting Islam are merely intended as a counterweight to the anti-muslim sentiments on these forums.

I think it's very important to differentiate between "Islam" and "Muslim", the former being a religion/ideology, the latter being a person affiliated by birth or belief in some way with the former.

You don't seem to deliniate that differentiation at all - at least based on your use of both terms together above.

On the other hand, there do apear to be some here that occassionally don't make that distinction in the negative connotation you state to be viligilantly against.

[Type XXIII]

I'm fully aware of that distinction.

As you say, some people do not differ between the two, and are, IMO, having negative feelings towards muslims.

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Type XXIII

As you say, some people do not differ between the two, and are, IMO, having negative feelings towards muslims.

I can relate to that from experience.

On the subject I think it is somewhat sad that you require or feel the need for a disclamer in the first place. I think I understand where you are coming from though. Perhaps it is a sign of the times on this forum now.

[Abraham]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

I can relate to that from experience.

On the subject I think it is somewhat sad that you require or feel the need for a disclamer in the first place. I think I understand where you are coming from though. Perhaps it is a sign of the times on this forum now.

I can share some of the feelings of Tyoe XXIII - although I seldom agree with his opinion - and of Konovalov.
There is on this forum a lot of criticism about the ideology of the Islam and about actions of Muslim fundamentalists/extremests/terrorists. All this is absolutely within the limits of the forum regulations. Harsh opinions can be expressed although we should all realise that criticism often hurts, even if it's justified; criticism of your most inner convictions hurts your heart. If that is the price you have to pay for your conviction, so be it.

Things change when there is no sign of the slightest form of respect for one of the major religions of the world and when 1. idontknowhowmuch Billion Muslims are generalised and then judged, often in terms that makes me feel ashamed if I would have to explain them to our Muslim forum members.
My experience with Muslims subsimmers on this forum is that either they react in a dignified way, or they turn away.

It's difficult to moderate many of the cheap shots taken at Islam or the Muslim community as a whole. In general a moderator should intervene as little as possible and take it for granted that the forum members know their own responsabilities. Nevertheless I make an effort to read every posting - especially those of the more 'sensitive' topics - and I'll intervene if necessairy.

I take this topic as an opportunity to say to all (no one in particular) that criticism is welcome, but generalisations only serve to poison the atmosphere on the forum. Preaching hatred is not allowed.

Abraham
(with moderator cap on)

[xrvjorn]

Originally Posted by Abraham

I take this topic as an opportunity to say to all (no one in particular) that criticism is welcome, but generalisations only serve to poison the atmosphere on the forum.

And the image of it. Nice to hear yours and other voices of reason in this thread. I was almost beginning to perceive the "General" section of Subsim as something related to the white supremasist movement. Just imagine how a muslim would perceive it.

[Wim Libaers]

Originally Posted by xrvjorn

And the image of it. Nice to hear yours and other voices of reason in this thread. I was almost beginning to perceive the "General" section of Subsim as something related to the white supremasist movement. Just imagine how a muslim would perceive it.

I disagree. The discussion is mostly about religion and culture. Not about racial issues. Then, I suggest you go read a real white supremacy site and compare. This doesn't even come close. Discussions like these occur on many sites, where allowed, because it simply is such a big issue.

[joea]

Originally Posted by xrvjorn

I was unclear. I should have written "similar to", not "related to". That's because I don't think in racial terms, so when someone generalizes based on religion, I don't think it's any better than generalizations based on colour or nationality.

Yes.

[kenijaru]

Originally Posted by who cares?

Defending Islam and socialism ????

nothing to do with Type XXIII's disclaimer but every1, and i mean EVERYONE decerves to be treated like EQUALS regading his/her birth place, colour of his/her skin, political beliefs, relogious belifs of any kind, also, it doesn't mind if he/she is poor or rich, a communist, socialist or capitalist!!!!!!! im not sure if you understand what i mean.
im sick of reading "you communist!" like you where saying "you ·$&(/·(&$·&%/&(=$()$/%&$/)/=$&(&%/"·%·%$!$&%%/&(·" i really had enough of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he, she, it(who? we shouldnt care) is a socialist..... its cool with me even tho im a capitalist.
he, she, it (who? we DONT care) is homosexual... its cool with me even tho im not.
he, she, it (we dont care who!) is a muslim.... its cool with me even tho i dont belive in god.

GET OVER IT! and stop being such rasists >_<

Nicolas "kenijaru" Casaballe.
wanna insult me? do it by mail: nicko_aap@hotmail.com

ps: i had to say it.... i had to gettit out of my system.