Swedish navy chasing foreign sub - Page 5

Catfish · 10-20-14, 07:04 AM

Hmm.

1. Look at the course of the tanker, in the midst of the Baltic. Strange course, of course (also see Oberon's link with the plotted course).
Ok i have sailed in the area, this is not within swedish territorial waters methinks ?
(But then in WW2 the US expanded their terr. waters to the Mid-Atlantic, just to be able to call german U-boats violators of international treaties lol)

2. This photo made from the land, allegedly showing a russian (?) sub (?).

Is there anyone who believes, the position of the tanker inmidst the baltic is anywhere near the point this photo was taken ?

daft · 10-20-14, 07:15 AM

The airspace above the ops area is now closed as well. Something is up. Either they have good reson to believe they are in contact and want to clear the area to get a good listen, or they are preparing to use live ordnance.

daft · 10-20-14, 07:16 AM

No. The tanker is probaly unrelated to what is going on. Most likely it's waiting for orders to load crude oil somewhere and is just drifting doing maintenance work kn the meantime.

daft · 10-20-14, 08:11 AM

Hehe, I'm in a cafė and the radio station they have on are playing a remix of the Das Boot theme.

VirtualVikingX · 10-20-14, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by daft

Hehe, I'm in a cafė and the radio station they have on are playing a remix of the Das Boot theme.

Excellent! Keep us posted

daft · 10-20-14, 09:37 AM

Ok, so now the military deny the 10km exclusion zone and say that it is just a rumour. They do say that caution must be used and that they will turn civilians away as needed since they need to work undisturbed. The restricted airspace is still in place though and has been confirmed.

ikalugin · 10-20-14, 10:22 AM

Didn't Sweden deny intercepting those signals?

daft · 10-20-14, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

Didn't Sweden deny intercepting those signals?

They did. The journalist that broke the news maintains that his source is very credible. But the Navy keep denying that any radio traffic was intercepted.

Liinno · 10-20-14, 11:30 AM

Remember the German submarine "went to the American bars" during the war. In Russia and in Sweden are crazy. Some send a submarine in shallow water. Other open secret that the Russian secret documents on the radio cracked. And in Sweden are able to not only taped radio transmitter, but also to receive the station. All this from the category about suicide or cat about a schoolgirl who marries. The main thing - people are interested in reading ..
Sorry for my english.
If you frequently cry out, "Wolf!", Then when the wolf comes, no one will believe.

daft · 10-20-14, 11:39 AM

I think this is coming to a close now, and we will likely never know what, if anything, it was. The Navy now say that the exclusion zone (which media reported that the Navy denied ever having been in place) is now revoked and that you can move through the area as long as you maintain vigilance and proper seamanship around the naval vessels. The search continues, but this seems dead in the water to me now. Pun intended.

ikalugin · 10-21-14, 01:24 AM

I heard that they have found a sub from Netherlands. Is there any truth in that?

daft · 10-21-14, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin

I heard that they have found a sub from Netherlands. Is there any truth in that?

There was a joint naval exercise with the Dutch last week. The Dutch sub that participated is no longer in Swedish waters and left Friday I think. So yes, it was kind of found, but it was supposed to be there from the beginning and wasn't really lost at all.

Safe-Keeper · 10-21-14, 04:20 AM

The search area is moved out to open sea now. The Swedish navy denies they are hunting a sub, calling it a "surveillance operation" (doing my best to translate to English here).

ikalugin · 10-21-14, 04:31 AM

Does that mean that they are conducting their search outside of Swedish territorial waters?

Safe-Keeper · 10-21-14, 04:34 AM

No clue, but from what I understand they are still very close to Stockholm.

10-20-14, 07:15 AM	#62
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	The airspace above the ops area is now closed as well. Something is up. Either they have good reson to believe they are in contact and want to clear the area to get a good listen, or they are preparing to use live ordnance. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

10-20-14, 07:16 AM	#63
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	No. The tanker is probaly unrelated to what is going on. Most likely it's waiting for orders to load crude oil somewhere and is just drifting doing maintenance work kn the meantime. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

10-20-14, 08:11 AM	#64
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Hehe, I'm in a cafė and the radio station they have on are playing a remix of the Das Boot theme. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

10-20-14, 09:37 AM	#66
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Ok, so now the military deny the 10km exclusion zone and say that it is just a rumour. They do say that caution must be used and that they will turn civilians away as needed since they need to work undisturbed. The restricted airspace is still in place though and has been confirmed. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

10-20-14, 11:30 AM	#69
Liinno Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 14 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Remember the German submarine "went to the American bars" during the war. In Russia and in Sweden are crazy. Some send a submarine in shallow water. Other open secret that the Russian secret documents on the radio cracked. And in Sweden are able to not only taped radio transmitter, but also to receive the station. All this from the category about suicide or cat about a schoolgirl who marries. The main thing - people are interested in reading .. Sorry for my english. If you frequently cry out, "Wolf!", Then when the wolf comes, no one will believe. Last edited by Liinno; 10-20-14 at 11:41 AM.

10-20-14, 07:04 AM	#61
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,800 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hmm. 1. Look at the course of the tanker, in the midst of the Baltic. Strange course, of course (also see Oberon's link with the plotted course). Ok i have sailed in the area, this is not within swedish territorial waters methinks ? (But then in WW2 the US expanded their terr. waters to the Mid-Atlantic, just to be able to call german U-boats violators of international treaties lol) 2. This photo made from the land, allegedly showing a russian (?) sub (?). Is there anyone who believes, the position of the tanker inmidst the baltic is anywhere near the point this photo was taken ?

10-20-14, 10:22 AM	#67
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Didn't Sweden deny intercepting those signals?

10-20-14, 11:39 AM	#70
daft Captain Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 493 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I think this is coming to a close now, and we will likely never know what, if anything, it was. The Navy now say that the exclusion zone (which media reported that the Navy denied ever having been in place) is now revoked and that you can move through the area as long as you maintain vigilance and proper seamanship around the naval vessels. The search continues, but this seems dead in the water to me now. Pun intended. __________________ And God said: \"Let there be Narrowband!\"

10-21-14, 01:24 AM	#71
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I heard that they have found a sub from Netherlands. Is there any truth in that?

10-21-14, 04:20 AM	#73
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	The search area is moved out to open sea now. The Swedish navy denies they are hunting a sub, calling it a "surveillance operation" (doing my best to translate to English here). __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

10-21-14, 04:31 AM	#74
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Does that mean that they are conducting their search outside of Swedish territorial waters?

10-21-14, 04:34 AM	#75
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	No clue, but from what I understand they are still very close to Stockholm. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.