Swastikas and Germany in the modern day...

Originally Posted by Oberon

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...6&#post1945296

Thank you Oberon, Henry Fords "great" literary masterpiece was a classic example.

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

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I assume you found the file in the cake I sent you.

Wouldn't the solution have been for UBI Soft to have included with the Silent Hunter series, the option to install the historically correct German flags from files built into the game, at the click of a mouse? The default game could show the "politically correct" flags with no need for the player to change that. If he was not offended by historical accuracy, then, again with a mouse click, the player could choose to display the swastika in his game.
Surely, for Silent Hunter fans on this forum, the debate should not be political but, rather, the debate should be be about how easy or how difficult it is for us to download the historically correct flags from the SUBSIM site. I've got 'em - I downloaded them easily and I LOVE 'em! To anybody who is offended by the swastika, don't download the sub flags.

[Spook27]

It does matter whether an emblem is correct or not. Fear of the emblem is what gives it power.

A flag is just a piece of cloth. The actions done in the name of that flag are not the same thing as the flag. There is good and bad in human nature, but censorship is never right.

There is good and bad in human nature, but censorship is never right.

Never is a strong word.
If Sir J. Saville had done a photojournal covering his charitable works in childrens hospitals do you think it should be censored?

[Spook27]

Censored for who? Evidence in a court of law? - no.

You mean published in some way? - For what market exactly? It wouldn't be on my Christmas list.

Originally Posted by Spook27

Censored for who? Evidence in a court of law? - no.

You mean published in some way? - For what market exactly? It wouldn't be on my Christmas list.

Going by the regular large numbers of convictions around the world there certainly would be a market.
So should it be published?
Do you agree with censorship or do you still hold that censorship is never right?

[MH]

Should child pornography be censored?
Ohh Yeas
Therefore censorship is good ->swastika censorship is good

Originally Posted by MH

Should child pornography be censored?
Ohh Yeas
Therefore censorship is good ->swastika censorship is good

Such great powers of comprehension you have.
Well done.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Such great powers of comprehension you have.
Well done.

Bahh....

Originally Posted by MH

Bahh....

Don't feel so bad, your usual attempt at trolling was pretty lame.

But hey in fairness lets assume you were not just trolling and really do have massive problems with comprehending simple things.

Two positions...
Censorship is always good.
Censorship is never good.
....neither position makes any sense does it
-->censorship being good or bad depends entirely on the specifics of each individual case.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Don't feel so bad, your usual attempt at trolling was pretty lame.

But hey in fairness lets assume you were not just trolling and really do have massive problems with comprehending simple things.

Two positions...
Censorship is always good.
Censorship is never good.
....neither position makes any sense does it
-->censorship being good or bad depends entirely on the specifics of each individual case.

Good A+.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Don't feel so bad, your usual attempt at trolling was pretty lame.

But hey in fairness lets assume you were not just trolling and really do have massive problems with comprehending simple things.

Tribesman, please refrain from insulting other members. That's what you keep having your posting privileges revoked. We've asked you many, many times, to be civil. Other members of this forum have to abide by the rules. You do as well.

Thank You,
Neal

[Dan D]

@Swastika use „verboten“ when not social adequate

You don't have to create the fictional example of a ban of the Confederate flag in the US, which you find would be social inadequate, for comparison reasons.

Legislatures in almost half of the US states have enacted statutes that explicitly outlaw „cross burning“ in one form or another:
ALA.CODE §13A-6-28; ARIZ.REV.STAT.ANN. §13-1707; CAL. PENAL CODE §11411;
CONN.GEN.STAT.ANN. §46a-58; DEL.CODE ANN. tit.11 §805; FLA.STAT. ANN. §876.17;
GA.CODE §16-11-37; IDAHO CODE §18-7902; ILL.COMP.LAWS ANN. ch.720 ¶5, §12-7.6; LA.
REV.STAT.ANN. §14:40.4; MD.CODE ANN.,CRIM.LAW §10-304; MO.ANN.STAT. §565.095;
MONT.CODE ANN.§45-5-221; N.H.REV. STAT.ANN. §631:4; N.J.STAT.ANN. §2C:33-10;
N.C.GEN.STAT. §14-12.13; OKLA.STAT.ANN. tit.21 §1174; S.C. CODE ANN. §16-7-120;
S.D.COD.LAWS ANN. §22-19B-1; VT.STAT.ANN. tit.13 §1456; VA. CODE ANN. §18.2-423;
WASH.REV.CODE ANN.
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34200.pdf

Take the cross burning ban in relation with the swastika ban for a comparison of the concepts of freedom of speech in Germany and the US.

If you look at the reasoning why some US states have banned cross burning, which btw is not „verboten“ in Germany, I could do that, I might get a ticket for polluting the air though, then I bet you will find similarities with the German legislators idea to ban the use of swastikas when it is not social adequate; like protecting the political peace so that people don't go at each others throats etc.

[Friscobay]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The former SS helped the US so much after WW2 .. from the Kameradenwerk to the OSS. All good as long as it was against the Russians.

''Our Germans are better than their Germans''

The Right Stuff [ 1983 ].