Why Mexicans immigrate to the US

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

They seem to go hand in hand. It was immigrants, illegal and legal who did a good share of the fighting. 1.2 million Hispanics and Latinos are veterans of the US armed forces. They currently make up about 14% of the US Marine Corps.

True(partly) but they must either be legal citizens or possess a green card to serve any person regardless of origin.After the Dream Act some are pushing to allow illegals to enlist but currently being an illegal immigrant is a no go for enlisting.

Not a thing to me a legal immigrant serving I knew several Croatians and a few Filipinos all of the Hispanics I knew where already citizens.

I rather dislike the idea of an illegal being allowed to enlist.If a legal citizen gets kicked out for falsifying information in order to enlist how rightly can an illegal who violated the law be permitted that is highly contradictory.

I also believe that many in the military those with green cards in particular would be very displeased if illegals where allowed in and where eventually given legal status.In an all volunteer force you want to avoid polices that cause members to choose not to reenlist and others to not consider enlisting at all.A person in the military holding a green card may have to serve for a decade or more before being naturalized(depending on how long they had a green card prior to enlisting).


So there are 1.2 million Hispanic vets that are either citizens (some of them prior to enlisting and most born in the US nullifying them from this topic) or legal residents.

[Phyrrus]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That is quite funny, as apparently the "you people in Britain" currently have yourself and the Bulgarians as top of the list on nationalities of "invaders" to be got rid of.

Indeed, I count myself among them too. I lived among british, native brits are my friends, working class common folks, like me. I understand their bitterness, and I feel their pain, I have the same sourness in my mouth, and I want them to sort the immigration problem, even if that means myself being banished from GB.
What you dont know, that I went there to WORK, work hard and earn a living. But most of romanians (they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies) do NOT go there for work, they just want the social security, the go there to beg on the streets and rob and steal and get social security money, then come home and have a BMW X5 with the money they stole in England. I know because I see them both here and there.

About us being top of the list, I dunno, check some statistics, east europeeans are only a small percent of all your foreigners, compared to pakistaneese or chineese or arabs or god knows who else. Get to your senses, east europeeans are NOT europe's biggest problem. At least WE are europeeans. Some of us...

[Phyrrus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Never been to Berlin, but I go to London every year and my opinion hasn't changed. It's not whether multiculturalism is nice or nasty, it's a fact of life, London has been a centre of cultures from across the world since the 1700s, it would not be London if it was not multicultural.

My friend Oberon, I've been in covenience stores in LONDON (the capital of UK you know) in which NONE of the pakistanese (sorry, PAKISTANI, thanks for the heads up, Stealhead) employees COULD NOT SPEAK ENGLISH, but tried to charge me 15 quids for a pack of Golden Virginia tobacco back in 2008. I can give you the adress of the store, it is in Borehamwood.
This is just an example. There are thousand small bits like these that make english people feel inconfortable in their own homeland. Even my immigrant blood boiled seeing those lazy good-for-nothing people in the hearts of England.
Of course, I am aware that THIS is the direct result of UK explointing India in the past centuries, yes, but that is another story...

[Phyrrus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You do know that border is 1,954 miles (3,145 km) long, and almost all of it barren desert? That's a lot of ground to cover for "a big machine gun".

Lol Steve, that was just a figure of speech
Put two on every mile, still way cheaper for US citizens than treating all the problems that occur on behalf of immigration. 3908 machineguns + 2 operators for each's total cost would be just 18% of your annual military spending. Not taking into account the USA goverment buget allocated for treating social problems, like immigration and it's consequences, like high criminality. It would be still way cheaper for you... But as I said before: who would clean the public toilets then?

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Phyrrus

My friend Oberon, I've been in covenience stores in LONDON (the capital of UK you know) in which NONE of the pakistanese employees COULD NOT SPEAK ENGLISH,

None of the employees could not speak English in London? Sorry to hear that they could speak English and swindled you.

What is pakistanese? Half Chinese and half Pakistani?

You do realize that "lazy gypsy" Romanians developed Silent Hunter 3,4,5?

[Phyrrus]

Ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I?
But I
I am neither, I am an immigrant.

Immigrants are always two types. First ones are those who are really in need, they really want to do better in their life for themselves and their families. Economical or political immigrants playing fair for survival. (I like to count myself among them, but who knows maybe I'm wrong
The second type are the parasites, the scum of their own countries, those who cant take up the fight in their own homelands, those who are too lazy to make a decent living in places where they could make a living if they'd be just a bit mre persistent, those that want to live always on the back of others anywhere they may be. They are always first in queue wherever something is for free, in their native country as well as in the country they emmigrated. And besid that, they are alway demanding for special treatment, always loudly repeating worsd like "discrimination". (this is the FIRST and only word that gipsies learn). They are a burden for any country. These people make roughy 80% of all the immigrants. I am not stereotypi..zing ( is that correct?) here, i speak from experience and statistics.

Why does nobody talks about chinese immigrants (at least not so often)? Coz they adapt to local customs (most of the time), they are HARD WORKING people, they always have something to offer, and they are a wellcome addition to any local economy. Right?
Ok, what people know about romanian and bulgarian immigrants in tha UK or mexicans in the US? That wherever they go, first thing is that they bulid their own maffia network, their criminal supply chains and start exploiting western countries. They are always the first to demand social assistance in form of money, housing, transportation and such, but they never give anything in exchange to their host country excep from anincreased criminality rate.

I have no problem with the first ones, but the second type is a plague that has to be treated.
I think this problem exceeds de shere immigration problem, its about overpopulation, and about that half of this overpopulated crowd is not willing to give its apport to the wellbeing of all, but want to live and thrive on the neck of others.
On a side note: I count bankers, wall street sharks, high wage managers and other imperialists among the plague too, but that is another topic I think...

I go do some work now, cuz some of us have to work sundays and saturdays as well...

Phyrrus over and out.

[Phyrrus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

None of the employees could not speak English in London? Sorry to hear that they could speak English and swindled you.

They counted on their fingers. Hard to believe, I know.

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You do realize that "lazy gypsy" Romanians developed Silent Hunter 3,4,5?

Yes, I know that, and I was NOT talking about them, as you very well know. That is the problem, when you put all the people of the same origin in the same cauldron. By gipsies I really meant the gipsies immigrating from romania to england. Do not be a carper please

About us being top of the list, I dunno, check some statistics, east europeeans are only a small percent of all your foreigners, compared to pakistaneese or chineese or arabs or god knows who else. Get to your senses, east europeeans are NOT europe's biggest problem. At least WE are europeeans. Some of us...

You had better tell that to the british government and the Kippers, perhaps they can get the Daily Fail to change the headlines about the Romanian/Bulgarian horde that is apparently battering down the gates of British civilisation.

What you dont know, that I went there to WORK, work hard and earn a living. But most of romanians (they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies) do NOT go there for work, they just want the social security, the go there to beg on the streets and rob and steal and get social security money, then come home and have a BMW X5 with the money they stole in England. I know because I see them both here and there.

Steroetypes much?
I have come across plenty of Romanians in Ireland, the majority are in the first category, the minority of those would be Roma.
Of the Romanians and Roma there are some that fit into your second category.

Even my immigrant blood boiled seeing those lazy good-for-nothing people in the hearts of England.

If they are lazy good for nothings then why are they working?
Indeed how are they running a business?

Ok, lets have a fresh start here, cuz many of you may think of me as a Nazi or KuKluxKan member of something - and I would't want to make a bad reputation on the first day joining this fine community, would I?

In that case avoid lines like....(they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies)...as that comes off a bit third reichish.

Why does nobody talks about chinese immigrants (at least not so often)? Coz they adapt to local customs (most of the time)

Have you been to Chinatown in London?
Or any other city which has a Chinatown?

They counted on their fingers. Hard to believe, I know.

That's a failing of the modern education system, most people nowadays don't get taught that very basic skill.
I made sure I taught my kids it, it also helps them to understand why base 12 originated and how the duodecimal system is so widespread throughout the world

[Phyrrus]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

In that case avoid lines like....(they are in fact lazy bastard gipsies)...as that comes off a bit third reichish.

You know, if that sounds III-rd Reichish to you, than I must be a III-rd Reichist indeed, because i cant and I wont take back those worsd I said. I meant exactly what I said. And i think Europe is just about to get another Reich in less then 50 yrs if it continues this way.

Read this post, its just a few lines above ours. Many other people are worried about this, more and more upset locals are going right wing.

And no, I have never been to any chinatown, I saw only small chinese communities, that is why I cant speak about them.
If you are right then situation is even worse. But nobody would dare touch the chinese, right? specially not US goverment. Because if you do, then Chinese would definitely rip apart your already ruined dollar and the entire US economy. Check the statistics about USA debt...

Originally Posted by Tribesman

If they are lazy good for nothings then why are they working?
Indeed how are they running a business?

Indeed, I never said they work, I said they dont... they are employed by other pakistani who own all these convenience stores. What they do is not called working about my standards.

You know, if that sounds III-rd Reichish to you, than I must be a III-rd Reichist indeed, because i cant and I wont take back those worsd I said. I meant exactly what I said. And i think Europe is just about to get another Reich in less then 50 yrs if it continues this way.

You say you want a fresh start and for people to forget the previous statements which may have made you seem like someone who followed rather dodgy ideologies, yet then you come straight back and defend those dodgy statements.

Read this post,

Did you notice how that post was thoroughly trashed?
Did you notice how easily and quickly it was trashed?
Not a great example to support you is it?

Many other people are worried about this, more and more upset locals are going right wing.

Yes, but if they don't make sense and their arguemts don't hold then it doesn't matter if they go right wing, left wing or on a wing and a prayer.
their position is what it is and what it shows itself to be lacking in merit.

Indeed, I never said they work, I said they dont...

You make no sense.
You already said they were employees. However I think you will find that many of those "employees" are actually the owners of the business.

they are employed by other pakistani who own all these convenience stores.

Employed? that's working isn't it.

What they do is not called working about my standards.

Do you set the standard of when employment is called employment?

And no, I have never been to any chinatown, I saw only small chinese communities, that is why I cant speak about them.

How about little Korea?
Did you venture to County Kilburn?(though most of those migrants have migrated to the surrounding home counties now).
Its part and parcel of immigration anywhere, just look at how Brazilian parts of Notting Hill are now when they used to be Jamaican.
What you are complaining about in London is just part of London, it is part of London since there has been a London and always will be.
The doomsayers and scaremongers will spew it out just like they always have, and some people will lap up the bollox and swallow it just like they always have, and just like they currently are about the hordes of Romanian/Bulgarian barbarians who are alledgedly at the gates of the city waiting to ransack the town and bring poor old London too its knees.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Phyrrus

Immigrants are always two types. First ones are those who are really in need, they really want to do better in their life for themselves and their families. Economical or political immigrants playing fair for survival. (I like to count myself among them, but who knows maybe I'm wrong
The second type are the parasites, the scum of their own countries, those who cant take up the fight in their own homelands, those who are too lazy to make a decent living in places where they could make a living if they'd be just a bit mre persistent, those that want to live always on the back of others anywhere they may be. They are always first in queue wherever something is for free, in their native country as well as in the country they emmigrated. And besid that, they are alway demanding for special treatment, always loudly repeating worsd like "discrimination". (this is the FIRST and only word that gipsies learn). They are a burden for any country. These people make roughy 80% of all the immigrants. I am not stereotypi..zing ( is that correct?) here, i speak from experience and statistics.

You are probably right. I haven't taken part in any studies, but in my brief time as a school teacher in Pasadena, which is becoming Little Mexico in Houston, I have to agree with some of your assumptions. The majority of students are "needy" and take part in free breakfast and lunches. It's not 20% of the students qualify for free subsidies, it's 100%. And guess what--the schools do not want to know their immigration status. We are basically educating illegal immigrants and feeding them.

As a native Texan, I like Mexicans and their food. I've worked with them in the hot sun, I've had a Mexican-American girlfriend or two, and my best mate is a second gen Tex-Mex. They are good people. But I do not like the way we have surrendered our sovereignty to people from other countries who have demanded the right to break our laws, take up residence in our country and draw on aid and services we are taxed for, that should be for our citizens. If someone wants to immigrate to the US, let them do so in accordance with our laws. Otherwise, they should not be here.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by Phyrrus

They counted on their fingers. Hard to believe, I know.

Nothing wrong with using the free Abacus we're given.

If these folks are jamming you in the backside... shop elsewhere.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Phyrrus

Lol Steve, that was just a figure of speech
Put two on every mile, still way cheaper for US citizens than treating all the problems that occur on behalf of immigration. 3908 machineguns + 2 operators for each's total cost would be just 18% of your annual military spending. Not taking into account the USA goverment buget allocated for treating social problems, like immigration and it's consequences, like high criminality. It would be still way cheaper for you... But as I said before: who would clean the public toilets then?

It would also tie up almost 25,000 soldiers (you don't expect those two soldiers manning each gun to work around the clock, do you?). Having the machine guns implies that the soldiers would be expected to use them, i.e. murder anyone trying to cross the border. That is a bigger problem than just trying to turn them back. Of course they could send squads out to arrest them, but that would mean a lot more than just two soldiers per mile. I don't see that being as cost-effective as you claim.

Yes, illegal immigration is a problem. Stopping it is also a problem.

[Aktungbby]

"Do you set the standard of when employment is called employment?"

TribesBBY: you're wasting your considerable talents on this one whom I fear has brought some old school multi-generational incurred values with him in his baggage. You'll win the argument, but your Phyrric victory ain't worth the carpal tunnel syndrome better spent quaffing one in a Galway pub; I worked immigration at the SF location( met lots of Celtic lasses on summer work 'Accommodation') and the bottom line is: people are just people...The world over. I'm a Minnasoteese immigrant to California and only the weather matters to me.(YOU BETCHA) Nice to hear someone like Phyrrus once in awhile though, so we are reminded what the problem still sounds like...the first part of the solution being vigilance! Hopefully enlightenment will set in.

[Stealhead]

Pyrrhic victory...ba dum tis.

You are right people are people still it is far easier to hate.