Nelson Mandela dead at 95

Originally Posted by privateer

And I see the entertainment has arrived.
(I mean Tribesman)

Foster's or Lone Star or Hamm's?

We kick thier arses and throw them out.


You bringing the Shrimp?

The entertainment arrived with the link
some choice quotes.
Kill the ******s! Exterminate the Jews!
This negretto is now being grilled extra crispy by Lucifer..
He's jew.
So, for him, he's not part of the White race.
And he also hates everyone who is White and christian.
There's another white guy on the left but I can't tell if he's a jew.
jews and ******s should be exterminated
With Joe Slovo, the Jew from Poland1 WHAT does a Polish Jews know about Africa?

Simple lesson for Haplo, think about your sources before you post

OK. I ain't digging that deep. Don't really give a crap to muster up the effort to be honest.

He's dead. Give it a few days and it will be a non-news item.
But the thread will have generated a life of it's own!


(In case you wonder? I am a nut case!)

[Skybird]

Haplo points correctly at some "dark spots" in Mandela'S life. Mandela cooperated closely with the Communist party during his terrorist time. He overwatched 150 terror bombings that killed scores of civilians. In recent years there was growing indications revealed by biographers and historians that he was not just cooperating with the communist party, but was a member and even a high ranking party leader in the hierarchy.

The way people turned into melting wax when meeting him, I always found disgusting - like I find it disgusting to see people melting like wax when meeting a Pope , a Dalai Lama, or whomever. I do not like for principle reason people switching off their brains.

Whether Mandela indeed turned from Saul to Paul, we never will know for sure. I assume the public has allowed quite some transfiguration to be happening. As far as I am concerned, I take note of the news that he died, and not more.

[flostt]

Originally Posted by Penguin

RIP, Sir!
Too bad the ANC didn't manage to follow his spirit.

Wise Words....In view of his successors Mbeki and Zuma in presidency.....

He was admirable for being able to forgive after 27 years in prison, fight against the system which was introduced during the colonialism (which was the root of the Apartheid (and I know what I am talking about, I grew up in that place in the 70's and 80's) and being able to bring "white", "black" and "coloured" together.

His social competence and political instinct made way for a new constitution in 1994.....and should be an inspiration for all politicians nowadays who are only interested in protecting the interests of their party and not representing the people who originally voted them.


Rest in Peace, the world has lost a fine Statesman

So you get forgiven for saying "Kill Whitey"
But if you should ever say "Kill Blackey" that will haunt you for life.
Makes since.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Haplo points correctly at some "dark spots" in Mandela'S life. Mandela cooperated closely with the Communist party during his terrorist time. He overwatched 150 terror bombings that killed scores of civilians.

Whether Mandela indeed turned from Saul to Paul

Heresy! He was loved by bajillions - he must have always been perfect. Or so some would have people think....

Originally Posted by privateer

So you get forgiven for saying "Kill Whitey"
But if you should ever say "Kill Blackey" that will haunt you for life.
Makes since.

Now privateer - you know better than to bring common sense into this....

[flostt]

he was sentenced for life inprisonment....he paid for his terrorist activities...

He did not sit in his cell and do nothing like all inmates nowadays...

he had to work in the stone quarry..... and believe me, Robben Island is a place you want to avoid...

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by flostt

he was sentenced for life inprisonment....he paid for his terrorist activities...

He did not sit in his cell and do nothing like all inmates nowadays...

he had to work in the stone quarry..... and believe me, Robben Island is a place you want to avoid...

Did he spend his life in prison? No - he was released prior to his death. So he did not pay in full.

Especially when compared to the payment his victims had to pay.

So you get forgiven for saying "Kill Whitey"
But if you should ever say "Kill Blackey" that will haunt you for life.
Makes since.

But he didn't. Its not kill whitey, its kill the small white supremacist fundamentalist offshoot of calvinsitic protestantism which makes up one segment of the Africaaner population which itself is one segment of the white south African population.

If people are going to condemn him for those words at least get the words right

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by privateer

And I see the entertainment has arrived.
(I mean Tribesman)

Foster's or Lone Star or Hamm's?

We kick thier arses and throw them out.


You bringing the Shrimp?

Jason can make his own way.

The South African Apartheid system was based upon the systematic use of violence to assert the 'right' of a minority to subjugate and oppress the majority - and as such, the use of force to overthrow it was legitimate. Should Mandela be immune for criticism? No - but cut out the crap about 'terrorism' - Madela was no more a 'terrorist' than the fighters of the French Resistance were.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by privateer

So you get forgiven for saying "Kill Whitey"
But if you should ever say "Kill Blackey" that will haunt you for life.
Makes since.

See - that's the funniest thing. Because "kill blackey" was exactly what Mandela and the ANC - along with their political competitors, the IFP - were all about. The HRC (Human Rights Commission) did some digging, and guess what they found...

According to the Human Rights Committee statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990-1994. The book lists the number of incidents, dates and those involved. This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978. Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92% have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans – such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: this book’s detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8,580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party vs. ANC killings and taxi and turf war violence. The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures. The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period. And again, during the transitional period, the primary causes of deaths were not security forces, nor white right-wing violence against Blacks, but mainly due to “black-on-black necklace murders,” tribal conflict between the ANC-IFP, bombs by the ANC and PAC’s military wings in shopping centers, landmines on farm roads, etc.

http://www.censorbugbear.org/farmitr...VG2TtAdvWkR.99

The revered Bishop Desmond Tutu stated on 12 April, 2013 that SA was more violent than it was in the times of apartheid.

http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/201...heid-says-tutu

But in the US - you just don't talk about black on black crime - even when its not in your country. Because apparently people that "kill blackey" are only criminals if they are (or appear to be) white. Otherwise it apparently is ok.....

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Jason can make his own way.

Did somebody say shrimp?

TJ's bringing Fosters? The Poms must have won the Ashes then?

Can I upgrade the foster's to Crown Royal?

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

The South African Apartheid system was based upon the systematic use of violence to assert the 'right' of a minority to subjugate and oppress the majority - and as such, the use of force to overthrow it was legitimate. Should Mandela be immune for criticism? No - but cut out the crap about 'terrorism' - Madela was no more a 'terrorist' than the fighters of the French Resistance were.

Well you can see the problem .
the ANC shouldn't have bothered with silly stuff like....

Our programme is the Freedom Charter; it defines the goals of all democrats regardless of colour, race or creed.
That's just too confusing
It should have chosen something more catchy like ....
No taxation without representation.
Terrorists eh, they get everywhere

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Madela was no more a 'terrorist' than the fighters of the French Resistance were.

Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).

Mandela and the AMK intentionally targeted non-combatants. (Magoo's Bar bombing is simply one example.) That makes him a terrorist.

Do you have any historical example where the French Resistance intentionally targeted civilians? I looked and found none, nor do I recall any.