Subsim front page article that pissed me off - Page 3

11-23-13, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I don't believe he has any anti German feelings either.

You never saw the light house shirt right?

It's not really 'anti-German'.
More like 'WTF are you looking at'?

Which makes as much sense as this thread.

Veterns from all over this thing we call Earth Salute our Enemies for thier Service.
I even respect the terrorists for thier commitment.
They are Soldiers at the very lest and that earns my respect.

areo16 · 11-23-13, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by August

The huffpost headline is 100% correct and accurate regardless of the crews political leanings. The flag that flew above that submarine (when it wasn't submerged) was the swastika. That makes it a nazi sub.

My own grandfather served in the Luftwaffe from 1939-45. He was certainly no nazi, just a conscripted farmer but the 88mm gun he operated, like that submarine, existed only to serve the nazi cause. That makes them nazi weapons and it is completely accurate and proper to refer to them as such.

This is where I disagree with many here, and the article. It is not a Nazi sub. It is a German sub. The submarine was from Germany and flew the German flag, which happened to be Nazi (because the Nazi party took control of the government). The submarine was not Nazi. Nazi is not a name of a nation or state, it is a slur term used to describe a national socialist, a person who believes in a political ideology called national socialism.

Our carriers in the pacific are not "Democracy carriers", they are US carriers becaus they belong to the US. They may be controlled by a democracy government, but they are not democracy carriers.

That is a German sub, not a Nazi sub. Germany still existed under Nazi control. One is a political ideology, the other a country.

11-23-13, 07:59 PM

The Victor writes history, Mate.

It will remain a Nazi Sub because that sells in the news.

You and I and others here may not like it but then again We don't like Obama Care.
Oh! Wait that's not the official name is it?

It's what sells!!

areo16 · 11-23-13, 08:01 PM

National socialism isn't just a party it is also a type of government. But either way, that sub belonged to Germany, and was for a time controlled by Nazis.

11-23-13, 08:04 PM

Yes. And I shot Cubans but I don't think of them as Communist.
I think of them as the ones shooting at me.
I was just a better shot.

areo16 · 11-23-13, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

The Victor writes history, Mate.

It will remain a Nazi Sub because that sells in the news.

You and I and others here may not like it but then again We don't like Obama Care.
Oh! Wait that's not the official name is it?

It's what sells!!

I don't find it funny....

Were talking about the legacy and remembrance here of sailors who drowned, in a steel tube at the bottom of the ocean, for something they believed in; which they thought was greater than themselves. Those guys drowned in a German sub, not a Nazi sub. And I'll stand to that for them, even if no one else will.

Have some respect.

11-23-13, 08:12 PM

Lets get more accurate.
It is the wreck of a Nazi submarine, built by slave labour in Bremen by the Nazi government and the Nazi military to fight in the Nazi ideological war of racial supremacy to create living room in the east by removing the subhumans to make way for the Aryan master race.
It happens to contain the remains of some dead german seamen.

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In the last days of the war leading members of the military became the leaders of the government and asked for peace.

Don't talk such utter crap, look at that government.
Doenitz ...Nazi party badge in gold
Speer... Mr. slave labour, Nazi party badge in gold
Backe.... SS, starving the Ukraine "Many tens of millions of people in this country will become superfluous and will die", Nazi party badge in gold.
Seldte...SA obergruppenfurher, Nazi party badge in gold.
Dorpmuller...please send more trains to Belsen.
Jodl..... commando order, commissar order, shipping Danish jews to the camps, Nazi party badge in gold.
Keitel.... one of only two people to be honorary Nazi party members.
Von Griem....right back to the beerhall putsch days, Nazi party badge in gold
Stuckart...SS Obergruppenfuhrer, the bloody Wannsee conference of all things, plus the wonderful Nuremburg laws

, Nazi party since 1922.
Then
Von Krosig...not actually a Nazi or a member of the military

Can you spot any of those leading military people who became the government who were not already in the government?

11-23-13, 08:22 PM

I Love it when a crazy post goes real crazy!!

areo16 · 11-23-13, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Lets get more accurate.
It is the wreck of a Nazi submarine, built by slave labour in Bremen by the Nazi government and the Nazi military to fight in the Nazi ideological war of racial supremacy to create living room in the east by removing the subhumans to make way for the Aryan master race.
It happens to contain the remains of some dead german seamen.

Don't talk such utter crap, look at that government.
Doenitz ...Nazi party badge in gold
Speer... Mr. slave labour, Nazi party badge in gold
Backe.... SS, starving the Ukraine "Many tens of millions of people in this country will become superfluous and will die", Nazi party badge in gold.
Seldte...SA obergruppenfurher, Nazi party badge in gold.
Dorpmuller...please send more trains to Belsen.
Jodl..... commando order, commissar order, shipping Danish jews to the camps, Nazi party badge in gold.
Keitel.... one of only two people to be honorary Nazi party members.
Von Griem....right back to the beerhall putsch days, Nazi party badge in gold
Stuckart...SS Obergruppenfuhrer, the bloody Wannsee conference of all things, plus the wonderful Nuremburg laws

, Nazi party since 1922.
Then
Von Krosig...not actually a Nazi or a member of the military

Can you spot any of those leading military people who became the government who were not already in the government?

Aggressive anyone?

Since when did these political offices exist:
"Nazi party badge in gold"
"Mr. slave labour, Nazi party badge in gold"
"SS, starving the Ukraine "Many tens of millions of people in this country will become superfluous and will die", Nazi party badge in gold."

I'm no expert on the Third Reich, but I'm sure the person who was controlling the concentration camps wouldn't make his title "Mr. Slave labor".
I wasn't aware that Germany had a political position called "Nazi party badge in gold". As you claim for it to be so, what was the "Nazi party badge in gold's duties and where was his office? Is this an elected position and how long are the terms?

I'm also having a hard time finding "Mr. Slave labor" position in the German Nazi cabinet.

You do realize that being a Nazi doesn't mean your a politician, right?

Come back when your ready to talk like an adult. Until then, keep watching your favorite channel, the "Hilter and the Aliens built The Pyramids" History Channel.

11-23-13, 08:28 PM

Now the real 'Crazy' starts.
Tribesman is one of the best at argueing points, Mate.

You done caught his attention.

areo16 · 11-23-13, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

I Love it when a crazy post goes real crazy!!

No respect for no one.

What's happening to the younger generations these days?

areo16 · 11-23-13, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Now the real 'Crazy' starts.
Tribesman is one of the best at argueing points, Mate.

You done caught his attention.

Again, why do you think dead German sailors is so funny?

11-23-13, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by areo16

No respect for no one.

What's happening to the younger generations these days?

Sorry but how young do you think I am?

areo16 · 11-23-13, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by privateer

Sorry but how young do you think I am?

Judging from the way you post, well.....

11-23-13, 08:36 PM

I'll be 56 in January. I'll save you the problem of guessing.
I jumped out of AirCraft into Combat zones for the U.S. of A. more then once.
Am I a Richard? Hell I admitted that a LONG time ago.
So now what insult do you want to try on me?

Remember it won't save you from the orginal postings going on by trying a diversion.

11-23-13, 07:59 PM	#33
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The Victor writes history, Mate. It will remain a Nazi Sub because that sells in the news. You and I and others here may not like it but then again We don't like Obama Care. Oh! Wait that's not the official name is it? It's what sells!!

11-23-13, 08:01 PM	#34
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 382 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	National socialism isn't just a party it is also a type of government. But either way, that sub belonged to Germany, and was for a time controlled by Nazis.

11-23-13, 08:04 PM	#35
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Yes. And I shot Cubans but I don't think of them as Communist. I think of them as the ones shooting at me. I was just a better shot.

11-23-13, 08:22 PM	#38
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I Love it when a crazy post goes real crazy!!

11-23-13, 08:28 PM	#40
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Now the real 'Crazy' starts. Tribesman is one of the best at argueing points, Mate. You done caught his attention.

11-23-13, 08:36 PM	#45
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'll be 56 in January. I'll save you the problem of guessing. I jumped out of AirCraft into Combat zones for the U.S. of A. more then once. Am I a Richard? Hell I admitted that a LONG time ago. So now what insult do you want to try on me? Remember it won't save you from the orginal postings going on by trying a diversion.