Boeing's Nightmareliner strikes again

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Its not unusual for a large number of boeings to fly over Germany with parts missing and still manage to land at their final destination safely.

Love it!

[Admiral Halsey]

Honestly this doesn't worry me that much. What really worries me is the potential death toll if an A380 crashes. Just one of them crashing could potentially be as deadly as the Tenerife disaster or even worse.

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

What really worries me is the potential death toll if an A380 crashes. Just one of them crashing could potentially be as deadly as the Tenerife disaster or even worse.

What worries me is where they crash, especially if, you know who, gets into the cockpit.

[TarJak]

I remember back in 2005 when my former employer purchased a bunch of 787s hoping to get the first delivery some time in 2007.

Ultimately the aircraft will overcome its teething problems and become a reliable passenger platform. Its quiet ride better pressurization and fuel economy will make it popular for mid range services. The US market will rebound at some point and sales will pick up.

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by TorpX

What worries me is where they crash, especially if, you know who, gets into the cockpit.

True but that's less likely then one of them crashing due to mechanical or pilot failure.

[Skybird]

New nightmare news from Boeing for the 787, and new models of the 747 lineage. Boeing has warned operators that plane models using GE engines should avoid flying in areas with thunderstorm, because the deicing of the engines does not work reliable and thus icing is a real threat. According to German media sources.

The news is serious enough that the Japanese carriers immediately reacted and withdrew all their Dreamliners from critical routes where thunderstorms are met frequently.

Link: http://news.yahoo.com/boeing-ge-noti...2--sector.html

Not thunderstorms in general, but high-altitude thunderstorms. A build-up of ice crystals can cause a temporary loss of power. Not good news, obviously, but not a 'nightmare' for Boeing. Not least because it is the engines that have the problem - manufactured by General Electric.

[TorpX]

I didn't know jet engines were subject to icing problems. I hope they can fix the problem.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TorpX

I didn't know jet engines were subject to icing problems.

They are. Japanese Airlines , who has been hit by several of Boeing's 787-reputation killers, therefore withdrew its 787s from the longrange routes they operate in, for these have a raised probability of meeting thunderstorm conditions dangerous for the plane currently, also they withdrew it from several medium and shortrange routes for the same reason.

On radio this morning they said vaguely that some other carriers did accordingly.

Nothing may have happened, but it is just more bad news for Boeing's problematic child, and it does not really help to improve its reputation. People do not care for who manufactured the engines, also it is in Boeing's responsibility to accept engine models by other manufacturers - or not.

[sharkbit]

Originally Posted by TorpX

I didn't know jet engines were subject to icing problems. I hope they can fix the problem.

Engine anti-icing is usually an airframe(Boeing) system. It is the inlets to the engine cowlings that are heated via engine bleed air to prevent ice from forming and being ingested into the engine. I'm not familiar with the GE engines but some of the stator vanes inside the engine may be heated by bleed air but they are not usually the primary anti-icing protection for the engine.

So it is Boeing's problem. Doesn't matter if GE engines are installed or another engine option.