2 questions about SH3 GWX 3 Gold/ just reinstalled

Grotesque · 10-04-13, 07:27 AM

I gave a try the newly released SH Online and all it did was to open my apetite for a real u-boat simulator, so...

...I just reinstalled SH3 after 8 years with the Grey Wolves 3 Gold mod and I have a couple of questions:

Can you manually turn the hydrophone wheel and listen to it?
I ask because I hover the mouse over the wheel in the sonar and radio chamber, mouse turns red and tooltip says Hydrophone, I click it but nothing happens! (same with radar?)

In a Type IX u-boat, where is the observation periscope in the control room? I climbed up in the conning tower and there is a periscope. (wrongly named by the tooltip observation periscope)
But I can't find the observation periscope in the control room to click it with the mouse and activate it. (I know I can use the icon shortcuts but I want to know if I am missing something and its absence is immersion breaker

)

PS: what other mods are the most popular and are used/compatible with the GWX 3 Gold mod. ( I am interested in realism and manual sweeping/calculation)

Thank you!

BigWalleye · 10-04-13, 07:53 AM

If you place the cursor anywhere on the bearing dial at the hydrophone station and left-click, the hydrophone will sweep to that bearing and stop. IIRC, you can click-and-drag the bearing pointer also.

Sorry, but I don't know about the Typ IX. Someone around here will, though.

H.sie's and Stiebler's patchers are good, and I think Hitman's optics gives you the most historically correct scopes - FoV, power, and reticles. It doesn't match the movie, but it does match existing WW@ optics.

Best single addition for realism, IMO, is voice command. Download sh3speech here: http://knepfler.com/shSpeech/. It takes a bit of cutting and fitting to adapt it to whatever GUI you are using, but the basic commands work right out of the box. Get a cheapo headset for under $20 from the Shack, and you're in business. WW2 subs were not controlled by a keyboard. The CO gave orders and the crew carried them out. sh3speech let's you run SH3 that way, and it adds a whole new dimension of immersion.

"Ahead one-third. Periscope depth."
"Jawohl, Herr Kaleun."

Or, if you're fluent enough, you can give all your commands von Deutch.

the dark knight · 10-04-13, 01:17 PM

Well, the scopes depend on what Type IX you have. Historically, the Type IXA and B had 3 scopes, 2 in the tower (observation and attack) and another observation in the control room. The IXC and D deleted the control room periscope. Both of your scopes should be in the tower if you are running a IXC or D. If you look closely there are two if you are in the tower, and sometimes they look like one scope (if you get in heavy seas on the surface you can see both as the ship sways). If I recall correctly, you can click on either to get to the one you want. Right now I am in a Type VII in early 1940 and it has been a long time since I had my Type IX. I am just going off memory here.

Jimbuna · 10-04-13, 02:10 PM

Welcome to SubSim

Try checking out the SH3 Downloads section.....there are a great many excellent mods to choose from.

Sailor Steve · 10-04-13, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grotesque

PS: what other mods are the most popular and are used/compatible with the GWX 3 Gold mod. ( I am interested in realism and manual sweeping/calculation)

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170090

Grotesque · 10-04-13, 02:57 PM

here is the what I am talking about. clicking it does nothing.
can I operate the hydrophone or not?

Dronston · 10-04-13, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

If you place the cursor anywhere on the bearing dial at the hydrophone station and left-click, the hydrophone will sweep to that bearing and stop. IIRC, you can click-and-drag the bearing pointer also.

Sorry, but I don't know about the Typ IX. Someone around here will, though.

H.sie's and Stiebler's patchers are good, and I think Hitman's optics gives you the most historically correct scopes - FoV, power, and reticles. It doesn't match the movie, but it does match existing WW@ optics.

Best single addition for realism, IMO, is voice command. Download sh3speech here: http://knepfler.com/shSpeech/. It takes a bit of cutting and fitting to adapt it to whatever GUI you are using, but the basic commands work right out of the box. Get a cheapo headset for under $20 from the Shack, and you're in business. WW2 subs were not controlled by a keyboard. The CO gave orders and the crew carried them out. sh3speech let's you run SH3 that way, and it adds a whole new dimension of immersion.

"Ahead one-third. Periscope depth."
"Jawohl, Herr Kaleun."

Or, if you're fluent enough, you can give all your commands von Deutch.

Which OS are you using? Will SH3 Speech work on Windows 7 64 bit and running the Conus widescreen mod?

Dronston · 10-04-13, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grotesque

here is the what I am talking about. clicking it does nothing.
can I operate the hydrophone or not?

Press H and you go to the hydrohone or use right mouse click on the icon in left bottom.
Also, if you press F1 you will see some similar commands. Good luck.

BigWalleye · 10-04-13, 04:04 PM

Sorry, Grotesque, I didn't realize. You have to go to the hydrophone station, not look into the hydrophone room. Press the "H" key from in the command room (or just about anywhere, I think). You will get a full screen of the hydrophone - wheel at the bottom, bearing dial above, and a digital bearing readout to upper right. Click on THAT bearing dial to rotate bearing. (I thought you were trying to rotate the WHEEL. Uff da!)

Dronston, sh3speech will work with any version of Windows that runs SH3, and it uses the built-in speech rec of Win7, so there's nothing to add. Using sh3speech out of the box with CONUS' widescreen mod will put the mouseclick commands in the wrong place. You'll have to adjust those. I use Rubini's widescreen mod and setting it up to work with the GUI and order bar I use and to add pet phrases ("Ell Eye, take her to periscope depth.") took about two evenings' work. But it's not rocket science, and not too much work. And, as I mentioned above, sh3speech will execute all keyboard commands perfectly right out of the box. That's enough to get you started and let you decide whether you want to do the work of customizing the rest.

desirableroasted · 10-04-13, 04:08 PM

If you right click on the hydroman, you will find yourself sitting in his seat.... from there I believe the wheel can be dialed. I haven't done so in forever.

Dronston · 10-05-13, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Dronston, sh3speech will work with any version of Windows that runs SH3, and it uses the built-in speech rec of Win7, so there's nothing to add. Using sh3speech out of the box with CONUS' widescreen mod will put the mouseclick commands in the wrong place. You'll have to adjust those. I use Rubini's widescreen mod and setting it up to work with the GUI and order bar I use and to add pet phrases ("Ell Eye, take her to periscope depth.") took about two evenings' work. But it's not rocket science, and not too much work. And, as I mentioned above, sh3speech will execute all keyboard commands perfectly right out of the box. That's enough to get you started and let you decide whether you want to do the work of customizing the rest.

Thx for your reaction but I can't get it to work at all. I ran the SH3speech installer. Activated GWX speech with JSGME, changed the setting in the press_to_talk file to "open mike" (and yes checked if my mic was working), started the speech engine with the GWX shortcut and started the game. Nothing happens, no response to any command.
I did notice that the speechengine running in the DOS box keeps restarting.

Any more ideas?

I use the Dutch language, "er is een uitzondering opgetreden" is about an exception. I also saw that on my system the speech recognition system is disabled because of the language setting of my system, could this be the problem?

Pisces · 10-05-13, 05:48 AM

Good chance, Microsoft requires the OS language to be the same as one of the speech recognition engine languages available. Since there isn't a dutch speech recognition engine available, Microsoft Speech is disabled.

You would need Windows Vista/7 Ultimate or Enterprise, to be able to switch languagepacks, and then be able to use the english speech (or German maybe) recognition engine.

Dronston · 10-05-13, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pisces

Good chance, Microsoft requires the OS language to be the same as one of the speech recognition engine languages available. Since there isn't a dutch speech recognition engine available, Microsoft Speech is disabled.

You would need Windows Vista/7 Ultimate or Enterprise, to be able to switch languagepacks, and then be able to use the english speech (or German maybe) recognition engine.

Hmmm, I knew I shouldn't have bought home premium...thanks

BigWalleye · 10-05-13, 06:56 AM

Sorry, Dronston. Being your typical monolingual American, I never considered the language issue. May have led you on a wild goose chase! Apparent that your Win7 speech rec is using English and your OS is using Dutch. I don't know how to resolve the incompatibility. Anybody know a work-around?

Dronston · 10-05-13, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigWalleye

Sorry, Dronston. Being your typical monolingual American, I never considered the language issue. May have led you on a wild goose chase! Apparent that your Win7 speech rec is using English and your OS is using Dutch. I don't know how to resolve the incompatibility. Anybody know a work-around?

lol no problem. It seems I cannot upgrade my win 7 HP to other language packs but maybe there is a speech engine add on.
I will first try the speech engine on my XP laptop which has the Warship mod installed and is also running in standard 4:3.

10-04-13, 07:27 AM	#1
Grotesque Nub Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	2 questions about SH3 GWX 3 Gold/ just reinstalled I gave a try the newly released SH Online and all it did was to open my apetite for a real u-boat simulator, so... ...I just reinstalled SH3 after 8 years with the Grey Wolves 3 Gold mod and I have a couple of questions: Can you manually turn the hydrophone wheel and listen to it? I ask because I hover the mouse over the wheel in the sonar and radio chamber, mouse turns red and tooltip says Hydrophone, I click it but nothing happens! (same with radar?) In a Type IX u-boat, where is the observation periscope in the control room? I climbed up in the conning tower and there is a periscope. (wrongly named by the tooltip observation periscope) But I can't find the observation periscope in the control room to click it with the mouse and activate it. (I know I can use the icon shortcuts but I want to know if I am missing something and its absence is immersion breaker ) PS: what other mods are the most popular and are used/compatible with the GWX 3 Gold mod. ( I am interested in realism and manual sweeping/calculation) Thank you!

10-04-13, 02:10 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Welcome to SubSim Try checking out the SH3 Downloads section.....there are a great many excellent mods to choose from. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-04-13, 04:08 PM	#10
desirableroasted Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the mountains, now. On the edge of the sea before. Posts: 933 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	If you right click on the hydroman, you will find yourself sitting in his seat.... from there I believe the wheel can be dialed. I haven't done so in forever. __________________ "Well, now, that's true... the IXC is a bit of a chick magnet..but you really can't beat the VIIB for off-road fun."

10-04-13, 07:53 AM	#2
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	If you place the cursor anywhere on the bearing dial at the hydrophone station and left-click, the hydrophone will sweep to that bearing and stop. IIRC, you can click-and-drag the bearing pointer also. Sorry, but I don't know about the Typ IX. Someone around here will, though. H.sie's and Stiebler's patchers are good, and I think Hitman's optics gives you the most historically correct scopes - FoV, power, and reticles. It doesn't match the movie, but it does match existing WW@ optics. Best single addition for realism, IMO, is voice command. Download sh3speech here: http://knepfler.com/shSpeech/. It takes a bit of cutting and fitting to adapt it to whatever GUI you are using, but the basic commands work right out of the box. Get a cheapo headset for under $20 from the Shack, and you're in business. WW2 subs were not controlled by a keyboard. The CO gave orders and the crew carried them out. sh3speech let's you run SH3 that way, and it adds a whole new dimension of immersion. "Ahead one-third. Periscope depth." "Jawohl, Herr Kaleun." Or, if you're fluent enough, you can give all your commands von Deutch.

10-04-13, 01:17 PM	#3
the dark knight Bosun Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Blue Springs, MO Posts: 64 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Well, the scopes depend on what Type IX you have. Historically, the Type IXA and B had 3 scopes, 2 in the tower (observation and attack) and another observation in the control room. The IXC and D deleted the control room periscope. Both of your scopes should be in the tower if you are running a IXC or D. If you look closely there are two if you are in the tower, and sometimes they look like one scope (if you get in heavy seas on the surface you can see both as the ship sways). If I recall correctly, you can click on either to get to the one you want. Right now I am in a Type VII in early 1940 and it has been a long time since I had my Type IX. I am just going off memory here.

10-04-13, 02:57 PM	#6
Grotesque Nub Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	here is the what I am talking about. clicking it does nothing. can I operate the hydrophone or not?

10-04-13, 04:04 PM	#9
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Sorry, Grotesque, I didn't realize. You have to go to the hydrophone station, not look into the hydrophone room. Press the "H" key from in the command room (or just about anywhere, I think). You will get a full screen of the hydrophone - wheel at the bottom, bearing dial above, and a digital bearing readout to upper right. Click on THAT bearing dial to rotate bearing. (I thought you were trying to rotate the WHEEL. Uff da!) Dronston, sh3speech will work with any version of Windows that runs SH3, and it uses the built-in speech rec of Win7, so there's nothing to add. Using sh3speech out of the box with CONUS' widescreen mod will put the mouseclick commands in the wrong place. You'll have to adjust those. I use Rubini's widescreen mod and setting it up to work with the GUI and order bar I use and to add pet phrases ("Ell Eye, take her to periscope depth.") took about two evenings' work. But it's not rocket science, and not too much work. And, as I mentioned above, sh3speech will execute all keyboard commands perfectly right out of the box. That's enough to get you started and let you decide whether you want to do the work of customizing the rest.

10-05-13, 05:48 AM	#12
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	Good chance, Microsoft requires the OS language to be the same as one of the speech recognition engine languages available. Since there isn't a dutch speech recognition engine available, Microsoft Speech is disabled. You would need Windows Vista/7 Ultimate or Enterprise, to be able to switch languagepacks, and then be able to use the english speech (or German maybe) recognition engine.

10-05-13, 06:56 AM	#14
BigWalleye Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: On the Eye-lond, mon! Posts: 1,987 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Sorry, Dronston. Being your typical monolingual American, I never considered the language issue. May have led you on a wild goose chase! Apparent that your Win7 speech rec is using English and your OS is using Dutch. I don't know how to resolve the incompatibility. Anybody know a work-around?