Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds' - Page 11

MH · 08-27-13, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I agree, and I think many American's would agree as well. But we both know, that isn't how it's going to pan out. Our government will get us involved somehow, as sure as the sun rises and sets.

It most likely will not be anything serious.
In terms of costs not much more than a big scale exercise.

Onkel Neal · 08-27-13, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm hoping the west don't get involved and especially the UK.

Cameron says the austerity measures currently in place are here for at least another two years so where would the hundreds of millions come from to fund British intervention?

I suspect it would fall on the shoulders of the tax payer and cause even more closures of vital services.

Same here, why can't we stay out of these regional squabbles. The US has no real interests here.

soopaman2 · 08-27-13, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Same here, why can't we stay out of these regional squabbles. The US has no real interests here.

Exactly. There is nothing to gain, but alot to lose, even if we win.

I get Afghanistan, and kinda get Iraq, but feel we really need to stop and go back to pre WW1 isolationism, alot of social issues at home not being addressed, yet we can sell 8 helos to indonesia for 500 mil, and do nothing for the people who built and bought those things (taxpayers)

Ducimus · 08-27-13, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eddie

I can't believe we are going to do this and for what? Its going to cause a lot of problems down the road, but the idiots in Washington don't care.

If the conspiracy theorists are correct, it's all about the

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Originally Posted by MH

It most likely will not be anything serious.
In terms of costs not much more than a big scale exercise.

I hope you are correct, but I am not as optimistic. What I am hoping for is that Obummer becomes paralyzed with indecision and ultimately does nothing, or makes a decision so late in the day that any window for US involvement has closed.

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

Exactly. There is nothing to gain, but alot to lose, even if we win.

I get Afghanistan, and kinda get Iraq, but feel we really need to stop and go back to pre WW1 isolationism, alot of social issues at home not being addressed, yet we can sell 8 helos to indonesia for 500 mil, and do nothing for the people who built and bought those things (taxpayers)

I agree that we have a lot of social issues that need to be addressed. In this day and age, we need to turn our attention inward. As for pre WW1 isolationism, I'm not sure that is possible given the amount of trading between nations. Rather, I think maybe we should adopt a policy of non-interventionism.

Betonov · 08-27-13, 12:44 PM

One thing will be interesting. The Russian reaction.

mapuc · 08-27-13, 12:44 PM

Russia !?

Where do they stand after an attack?

I know they support Assad and his regime

After? That's my thoughts

Per Stig Møller a danish politician and some other public people are afraid that it could end with a war between The west and Russia.

I'm not an expert on this, but I wouldn't go so far. Or???

Markus

Oberon · 08-27-13, 12:50 PM

I can't see how the West intervening in Syria would affect the petrochemical industry in any other way but to make the prices go up, and the petrochemical bosses have got to realise that eventually they will hit the glass ceiling and demand will drop as governments activate their fuel rationing plans.

Betonov · 08-27-13, 12:55 PM

Putin won't let himself be shown that a russian bear is only a paper tiger when it comes to supporting Assad. But a full scale war is out of the question.
Unless both sides start to escalate. Two dying empires showing off, not good

eddie · 08-27-13, 12:58 PM

I don't believe we will end up in a war with Russia, but trying to work out deals with Putin on different issues will be twice as hard. Same with China.

Catfish · 08-27-13, 01:01 PM

Well there is no real evidence for 'real' chemical weapons.

I do not much like Assad, but when i hear the media and governments talk of the alleged use of weapons of mass destruction it makes me wonder .. especially why i have difficulties believing them.

Cui bono ?

mapuc · 08-27-13, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Putin won't let himself be shown that a russian bear is only a paper tiger when it comes to supporting Assad. But a full scale war is out of the question.
Unless both sides start to escalate. Two dying empires showing off, not good

Support in form of more advanced weapons, such as newest SAM system a.s.o, that could be the answer from Russia

Our journalist is speculating on the raid. They estimate that it will be 2-4 days campaign.

Here's a thought that I see very unlikely

Russia send 2-3 division of their most modern fighers to assisst Assad in defending Syria against an attack.

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Have just been talking with some of my friends on Facebook. They are from or live in Israel

They are afraid that Syria would attack them. Have also been told that the authorities in Haifa have tested the alarm and tested the shelters so they are ready if needed.

Markus

Betonov · 08-27-13, 01:09 PM

That's why you should rethink your targets and send missiles.
A modern russian SAM system operated possibly by russians is something that will get your pilots killed.

MH · 08-27-13, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Well there is no real evidence for 'real' chemical weapons.

I do not much like Assad, but when i hear the media and governments talk of the alleged use of weapons of mass destruction it makes me wonder .. especially why i have difficulties believing them.

Cui bono ?

You must be traumatised.
....but you believe everything about drones.

Not that i like the idea about this whole war because the ricochets may end up here BW.

....

eddie · 08-27-13, 01:16 PM

Here come the effects of possible military action. They sure didn't waste any time, did they!?!

http://money.msn.com/business-news/a...27&id=16840794

Catfish · 08-27-13, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

You must be traumatised.
....but you believe everything about drones.....

Huh? Sry for OT here:

Why do i 'believe everything about drones' ?

You mean the US does not kill alleged insurgents (even if they are US citizens) and sometimes bystanders with drones ?
And i should better believe in Iraq's WMDs, because Cheney and Powell told me so back then ?
Like the media tells me now?

Ok now i believe, this time they ARE right, and we should invade Syria with all we have. Oh, wait ...

08-27-13, 12:44 PM	#155
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	One thing will be interesting. The Russian reaction.

08-27-13, 12:44 PM	#156
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,543 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Russia !? Where do they stand after an attack? I know they support Assad and his regime After? That's my thoughts Per Stig Møller a danish politician and some other public people are afraid that it could end with a war between The west and Russia. I'm not an expert on this, but I wouldn't go so far. Or??? Markus

08-27-13, 12:50 PM	#157
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I can't see how the West intervening in Syria would affect the petrochemical industry in any other way but to make the prices go up, and the petrochemical bosses have got to realise that eventually they will hit the glass ceiling and demand will drop as governments activate their fuel rationing plans.

08-27-13, 12:55 PM	#158
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Putin won't let himself be shown that a russian bear is only a paper tiger when it comes to supporting Assad. But a full scale war is out of the question. Unless both sides start to escalate. Two dying empires showing off, not good

08-27-13, 12:58 PM	#159
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	I don't believe we will end up in a war with Russia, but trying to work out deals with Putin on different issues will be twice as hard. Same with China.

08-27-13, 01:01 PM	#160
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well there is no real evidence for 'real' chemical weapons. I do not much like Assad, but when i hear the media and governments talk of the alleged use of weapons of mass destruction it makes me wonder .. especially why i have difficulties believing them. Cui bono ?

08-27-13, 01:09 PM	#162
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	That's why you should rethink your targets and send missiles. A modern russian SAM system operated possibly by russians is something that will get your pilots killed.

08-27-13, 01:16 PM	#164
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Here come the effects of possible military action. They sure didn't waste any time, did they!?! http://money.msn.com/business-news/a...27&id=16840794