US warns of Snowden consequences

[Jimbuna]

I hope the obvious frustration felt does not result in the US painting themselves into a corner.

US Secretary of State John Kerry has said it would be "disappointing" if Russia and China had helped US fugitive Edward Snowden evade US attempts to extradite him from Hong Kong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23031801

[Betonov]

It would be disappointing if they don't help him

[Jimbuna]

I've an open mind atm but it would be interesting to see some viewpoints on the matter.

[Wolferz]

Exposing the treachery and ineptitude of a puppet government and its' agencies should not carry a penalty of any kind. The Fed has been painting bollocks with a broad brush for far too long. The days of their fear and war mongering for profit are numbered, whether the shadow government likes it or not.

[Mr Quatro]

The NSA should post ads for turn coat spys on all of the defense department networks and then let the password slip for that page only.

Show a nice house in Monatana (isn't that where the sailor on Red October wanted to go?) with a swimning pool surrounded
by binki clad women with the title, "this could be all yours"

"Will trade for insider information"

"Please call if you need help getting to America"

[Catfish]

Obviously in an advanced democracy, the people cannot be trusted anymore.
(b.t.w. the GCHQ is even worse than the NSA, just saying. The surveillance and eavesdropping in England must be on the top of the world - i only remember those ten thousands of surveillance cameras in London alone - funnily enough lots of those around George Orwell's home)

I think they do not so much betray 'secrets' to foreign countries, but have the intention to make clear what governments do, to their own citizens.
They did not do it for money or fame, instead they knew they would be hunted and criminalized, before they would be probably killed.
(You know you have to destroy a man publicly and politically, before you can kill him)

In my opinion they all deserve a nobel prize, and much much more than Obama.



But the main question is what do the people do now, after they have seen their own democratic (lmao) governments violate public and international law ?

My guess is: Nothing. Disgust is present, but indignation about those ploys is sooo old school. Better publish my personal last night's adventure in FaceBook, via iPhone. And buy a new car.

[Oberon]

Consequences?!

What consequences, the US can't do a thing, the limits of their power and the power of the Western nations has been white-lined by Assange, and is now fairly common knowledge. Russia and China (and therefore by logical extension Hong Kong) have no love lost for the US, nor does Ecuador, Cuba and Venezuela. Ecuador will (eventually) take him in, and they will parade him in public positions, he will eventually release the rest of his information, thus keeping himself in the limelight and thus unkillable without immediate suspicion falling on the US, and then he will fade away, of little more use or consequence to either the US or its enemies. Eventually when he is in his sixties he may come back to the US out of nostalgia and will be arrested and stand trial, and then he will end his days in prison.

[STEED]

Hes done a Lord Lucan, that is to say if the news is right.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Exposing the treachery and ineptitude of a puppet government and its' agencies should not carry a penalty of any kind. The Fed has been painting bollocks with a broad brush for far too long. The days of their fear and war mongering for profit are numbered, whether the shadow government likes it or not.

I read this and I hope that you jest my friend.Any unfair deed that our government does pails in comparison to the oppressive states that exist in both China and the CIS(Russia).

If you had posted what you posted above in either China or Russia you would not be sitting comfortably in your home right now.You would be in jail and after conviction (100% certain to occur) you would be serving anywhere from a year to 10 years in prison.

The US federal government may not always be picture perfect but it is mild in comparison to the alternatives.

Snowden is nothing but a blowhard and he does not know very much I can assure you of that.I know people that where contractors for the CIA and NSA they only have very limited information only about the specific project they work on and they never know every detail only enough to do what ever they do.My uncle worked for the NSA while he was in the USAF back in the 70's and the same story he only knew enough to perform his duty which in his case was recording certain Soviet communication networks.

All I can say is if you knew a person who worked for the CIA or NSA you would not be so interested in Snowden.

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

If you had posted what you posted above in either China or Russia you would not be sitting comfortably in your home right now.You would be in jail and after conviction (100% certain to occur) you would be serving anywhere from a year to 10 years in prison.

The US federal government may not always be picture perfect but it is mild in comparison to the alternatives.

Well said ... it's a battle for what we think. Most of us on the outside looking in can't possibly understand what is going on.

If the tide should turn like in so many news stories lately with the real truth coming out later than sooner then many will be caught with egg on their face.

No love has been lost with this trump card Russia now pocesses.

[Father Goose]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

Exposing the treachery and ineptitude of a puppet government and its' agencies should not carry a penalty of any kind. The Fed has been painting bollocks with a broad brush for far too long. The days of their fear and war mongering for profit are numbered, whether the shadow government likes it or not.

I agree that no penalty should apply to Snowden at this point for what he has released. However, I am concerned with what other intel he possesses and who he shares it with. The American public "doesn't know what it doesn't know". For the US government to want him as bad as they are portraying, one has to believe Snowden has some more "dirty laundry" that they don't want to divulge.

I'm all for exposing the US government for breaking the laws and ignoring the constitution. Not that anyone will ever be held accountable, for that' doesn't happen in the "transparent" Obama administration. As I stated, it's the intel we don't know about that causes me to pause.

[Skybird]

Prism, Tempora - not surprising at all. The Americans have used stations in England since the 70s or early 80s already to overhear over 90% of all telephone and radio communiction in all of Europe, and beyond. With today's technological capacities, the surveillance of any electonic communication is total, I'm sure, and much automated.

Surprising only is how little people care. They already are pretty much in nausea, it seems.

Of course I do not trust terrorists. It's just that I see zero reason to trust governments either, and week for week I read new evidence and news from all Western world how much my mistrust is justified.

The fallout of a total surveillance society with crystal clear transparency of the state's self-declared property units - citizens, that are -, will become evident in the future. Maybe then will people care, if meanwhile for some reason they woke up. It's just that then it will be too late, and the monster will be at the maximum of its power and control.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-907495.html

A people not caring for its freedom, does not deserve freedom.

Nor respect or sympathy.

We all are ruled to become just enslaved numbers. Submit! Obey! Shut up! Praise the system! Die for its lies! Fight for its defence! Believe in its illusions!

A new cult is born. Hallelujah!

[Catfish]

From the article ^:

"The next weeks and months will show whether democratic societies across the world are strong enough to take a stand against the unlimited, totalitarian ambitions of Western secret services -- or not.

The governments of the countries in question apparently did not have the necessary backbone. They knew full well that the kind of surveillance being undertaken lacked all democratic legitimacy. But they pursued the programs anyway, behind the backs of their electorates."


Nothing to add.

[Wolferz]

Any society that surrenders even one freedom for security deserves neither and will lose both.
I could understand going after the guy with both barrels if he had actually divulged strategic "military" information to a sovereign foreign enemy we are at war with. We are not at war with any sovereign state. We are at war against a religious ideology and stirring the war pot for the next incursion.

If we know nothing of the big picture in DC, then it is by design that we are kept ignorant of their actions. Especially when those actions trample on our rights and our constitution. Sure, they claim that there is plenty of oversight with the programs in question but, we all know that politicians are psychopathic liars and they are following the instructions of a relative few elite individuals that preside over the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission and numerous corporate cabals who are seeking unfettered hegemonic control of the planetary resources. Strictly for their own monetary gain. They have nearly solidified their power and they answer to no one..

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I read this and I hope that you jest my friend.Any unfair deed that our government does pails in comparison to the oppressive states that exist in both China and the CIS(Russia)..

That's nice. Does that somehow excuse our government from any wrongdoing? Do you say our own people spying on us is alright because "they're worse"?

Did Snowden reveal secrets that could get our own people killed? If so, then he deserves prosecution. Or is he the one who exposed all the rescent wiretapping activities? If his "crime" was to reveal illegal activities perpetrated by our own govermnent, then who is the real criminal?