Hey look! the FBI and NSA are data-mining and analyzing your data!

[the_tyrant]

http://www.zdnet.com/fbi-nsa-said-to...ts-7000016499/

Both the National Security Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation are said to have been secretly mining data directly from the servers of at least nine top U.S.-based technology companies, according to The Washington Post.

You really shouldn't be surprised, because:

http://www.zdnet.com/nsa-all-up-in-y...52-7000016512/


Also, 20 million a year? Finally a government project that is cost efficient!

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

You really shouldn't be surprised

I'm nowhere near surprised. I expected this.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

I'm nowhere near surprised. I expected this.

Yeah, I have talked openly about my evil schemes both in person and online, yet I'm still barely on a single government watchlist! I wonder what I have to do, besides running into a kindergarten naked to get on more.

[Feuer Frei!]

yet I'm still barely on a single government watchlist

Barely? As in sort of, kind of, almost?

I wonder what I have to do, besides running into a kindergarten naked to get on more.

Nope, that would be your local law enforcement people that would like to have some words with you.
FBI-worthy stuff would be terrorist activities, colluding with those turban-wearing extremists, a lengthy history of hijacking planes, building bombs, threatening presidents...

[Skybird]

It's just for your best. Believe it.

States are manifestations of what usually is called the "mob" or the "organised crime". They steal (expropriation and more and more deleting and reducing of rights of property), murder (declare wars and send soldiers), and blackmail for protection money (taxation). Without need they demand you to do what they tell you to do. Every piece of your private life, has to accept more and more regulation, sniffing, documentation, checking for system-compatability and intellectual obedience. Now this gangster that the state is, has cable.

"Now"...? The US ic monitoring all telecommunication throughout Europe and in almost all the world. The mioracles of modern technology allow that. Automatically. And since a very very long time already.

Having the wrong thought-identity will become a crime. You' ll live to see it. It's all moving towards socialism, planned economy (we already have that, the economy is suffocating with regulations, and the humoristic so-called "money" is a 100% state-planned thing totally disconnected from markets), centralist dictatorship.

We will surpass the Soviet Union in every regard. Well, we asked for it, and political criminals are happy to deliver. For a small price of course. Our freedom, and us allowing to get silenced by having us voting in a meaningless election every couple of years whose only purpose is to have us legitimizing the monumental crime committed against us, and installing a caste of antisocial, unscrupulous parasites who are sucking our blood, live at our costs, and demand us to praise them for their abuse of us.

Yeah!

[HundertzehnGustav]

badumm-tssss!

[Oberon]

There's always the option to seek asylum in the much freer and more democratic Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.

[Skybird]

The opposite to a Western democratic state is not North Korea or Russia, but is no state at all. A democratic state is a certain form of dictatorship itself. It usurps power that it has no claim for, it's existence cannot morally be defended without getting pulverised by inevitable contradictions any such argument has, it acts and behaves criminally from A to Z, and it never stays at the sioze that it is at, but necessartily must grow more and more from the size of a newly created, just beginning democratic basic order to total and complete state and bureaucracy tyranny - you cannot avoid that.

That is unavoidable for sure, because the people, the plebs, demand from the state more and more services and nanny-deeds and financial benefits that politicians are all too happy to deliver (in order to get re-elected) even if they have no moral right at all to run the underlying redistribution (which means expropriation of the one and shifting that to the other: socialism pure and simple) or to endlessly print papermoney (which necessarily needs the killing of a value-based money worth the name and replacing it with a system of meaningless papermoney that is only unguaranteed bonds, notifications of somebody's debts - no representation of active material values), or by raising taxes (which needs all citizens being turned into completely defenceless and weak victims of the state) what backfires also against those who earlier demanded the state to do more for them. And so more antispcially wealthy get taxed even higher, and the number of people living on werllfare rises, and economic performances declines, initiative and self-responsbility gets demonised as lacking "solidarity", and all the PC propaganda bull to follow. And so it spins on and on, into the centre of the spiral, and there it forms a critical mass sooner or later, and then it goes Bamm! WWII formed up that way.

All this, and the very existence of any state at all is morally undefendable.

And you can see all that happening right now, in every single Western country, from Germany to the United States. Everywhere.

My reading tips of the day:

LINK: Christoph Braunschweig: Die demokratische Krankheit. Der fatale Teufelskreis aus Politkerversprechen und Wähleranspruch

LINK: Kenneth Minogue: The Servile Mind. How democracy erodes the moral life


Some quotes worth to remember:

"Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself! There was never a Democracy that did not commit suicide." - Samuel Adams

“If you put our federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there would be a shortage of sand. (...) We have a system that increasingly taxes work and subsidizes non-work." - Milton Friedman

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

"A Democracy is the most vile form of government there is!" - Thomas Paine

"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Anonymous

"Give me control over a nation's currency, and I care not who makes its laws." - Rothschild

"We don't have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven't taxed enough - we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much” - Ronald Reagan

“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." - Benjamin Franklin

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship” - Alexander Tytler

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle." - Winston Churchill

[mookiemookie]

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." - Winston Churchill

[Oberon]

So how does anything get done on a national level in a state of no government?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Oberon

So how does anything get done on a national level in a state of no government?

It works great! Just look at late 90's Somalia. Total freedom from government oppression, maaaaan!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Oberon

So how does anything get done on a national level in a state of no government?

I asked him the same thing several months ago and received a convoluted mixture of town councils, corporate bounty killers and building your own railroad in return. In short, neither Skybird nor Hoppe have any answer to that. Conversely, the whole theory behind replacing western democracy with an anarcho-capitalist scheme seems to be that the blocks will magically arrange themselves in perfect fashion once we knock over the current tower, as though shouting "privatization" will serve as the magic word to crack the door of Utopia.

[the_tyrant]

The truth about the internet, is that you should treat it as a public place. There are no secrets on the internet, and things last forever.


You know how in the movies criminals always discuss their crimes in a well populated restaurant? Ever tried that in real life? Of course not, if you did, you wouldn't be here, you would be in jail.

If you would not discuss anything you don't want others to know in public, why the hell would anybody do it on the internet? You shouldn't have an expectation of privacy on the internet, it simply doesn't exist

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I asked him the same thing several months ago and received a convoluted mixture of town councils, corporate bounty killers and building your own railroad in return. In short, neither Skybird nor Hoppe have any answer to that. Conversely, the whole theory behind replacing western democracy with an anarcho-capitalist scheme seems to be that the blocks will magically arrange themselves in perfect fashion once we knock over the current tower, as though shouting "privatization" will serve as the magic word to crack the door of Utopia.

So, basically, nationstates as a whole would cease to exist, becoming instead a massive series of states at a town or village level. A survivalists wet dream perhaps, but about as practical as a cheese sword and it would essentially last about a year (if that) before a group of towns banded together to form a small nation to pool their resources and conquer other towns. You see, we've been there before and it didn't work then either, that's how nations were formed, doesn't anyone play civilization anymore?

This isn't directed at you, Takeda, by the way, I suspect that you know this anyway, but it's in response to your response...if that makes sense.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It works great! Just look at late 90's Somalia. Total freedom from government oppression, maaaaan!