Murder in London

So he isn't a muslim immigrant then.
He is british born church going christian who recently converted and joined up with Anjem Choudray and his couple of dozen muppets.
Kinda makes all this blah blah Muslim immigrants stuff into pure nonsense doesn't it.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

The first problem is that most English cops don't even carry guns. I know that the people aren't allowed to have guns.

I'm also reading on Wikipedia about gun incidents with British Police... It seems that they are very very very very trigger happy....They open fire before they know for sure, seems like.

Sorry, and you live where? Oh, in that country where one man can kill as many in one day as the British Police have done (rightly or wrongly) in over 30 years.

In just one month this year (March, according to your favourite Wiki) there have been 25 fatal shootings in the US by police, January was 42 - Happy New Year! By Contrast February was a good month, only 15.

Saying the British Police are very, very, very, very trigger happy is way off the mark, I'm sure even if you included data from Northern Ireland it would still be way below that of your good ol' law enforcement officers - and I'm not saying that yours are very, very, very, very trigger happy, just moreso.

[BossMark]

@Red October1984
Lets look at it like this if some lunatic terrorist scum are coming at you with weapons drawn and it comes down to you or the vile evil terrorist scum it would be very hard not to shoot the bastard wouldn't it. And that's not being trigger happy its preserving your own life as well as others.

[Skybird]

Info on the identity of the two suspects gets reported. One is a Nigerian with British passport, coming from a devout Christian family but then converted to Islam. The other so far is not being mentioned. Both are known to the police from earlier incidents. Investigation into them showed them to be no danger. Which again shows that this kind of guys cannot be profiled. The attackers in London some years ago, did not match terrorist profiles. The attackers in Madrid years ago also did not.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634468

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by BossMark

@Red October1984
Lets look at it like this if some lunatic terrorist scum are coming at you with weapons drawn and it comes down to you or the vile evil terrorist scum it would be very hard not to shoot the bastard wouldn't it. And that's not being trigger happy its preserving your own life as well as others.

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Sorry, and you live where? Oh, in that country where one man can kill as many in one day as the British Police have done (rightly or wrongly) in over 30 years.

In just one month this year (March, according to your favourite Wiki) there have been 25 fatal shootings in the US by police, January was 42 - Happy New Year! By Contrast February was a good month, only 15.

Saying the British Police are very, very, very, very trigger happy is way off the mark, I'm sure even if you included data from Northern Ireland it would still be way below that of your good ol' law enforcement officers - and I'm not saying that yours are very, very, very, very trigger happy, just moreso.

Okay. Obviously what I said there was an overgeneralization based on one passage that I read from Wikipedia. I tend to do that sometimes. I know that there are tons of shooting accidents with US cops and I probably got a bit generous with the "Very" part.


I didn't think before I posted very well.

@ Jim, BossMark, Herr-Berbunch. I'm sorry about that. I didn't think.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Apology accepted on my part.

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

Apology accepted on my part.

Same goes for me too

[mapuc]

Help me out here, and please don't answer if you're aren't 110 % sure

Today I have through several newspaper and some news channels read/heard the English prime minister Cameron saying

that the attack yesterday was a betrayal of Islam

Is that true!? Due to my question, is that I have on several pages and on some of my friends friends wall, read some part of the quran or the haddith, were it says something like this

Kill the infidel where ever you find them or something like that

If it's true then those two person only did what the quran says them to do

or??

Markus

[Armistead]

That's what makes me mad, every time we have one of these attacks, our leaders spend so much time telling us Islam is a religion of peace, etc.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Armistead

That's what makes me mad, every time we have one of these attacks, our leaders spend so much time telling us Islam is a religion of peace, etc.

Same leaders that tell us anchor baby having, fence jumping Mexicans, are good for the economy, and should not be held accountable.

Maybe we should be eating our leaders, and not the Muzzies or Mexis.

At least the mexican and Muslims work, unlike our politicians...

[Stealhead]

Plenty of wars and violent actions have been performed in name of Christianity over the years.So I'd say to pick out one religion when others have equally violent histories is a bit short sighted.

That is the problem with most religions they can easily be skewed to line up with a violent agenda.

@soopaman2 Are you hungry or something?

[MH]

Today I have through several newspaper and some news channels read/heard the English prime minister Cameron saying

that the attack yesterday was a betrayal of Islam

What do you expect him to say regardless of his or anyone else's opinion on the issue.

He do not want to escalate this whole thing .

Kill the infidel where ever you find them or something like that

If it's true then those two person only did what the quran says them to do

or??

Isn't that the bit about people living in your land who have broken a treaty with you and started a war. Doesn't it then go on about not doing it if they stop because god commands forgiveness.
You can find plenty like that in the bible too.

That is the problem with most religions they can easily be skewed to line up with a violent agenda.

Its a problem as old as religion.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Plenty of wars and violent actions have been performed in name of Christianity over the years.So I'd say to pick out one religion when others have equally violent histories is a bit short sighted.

That is the problem with most religions they can easily be skewed to line up with a violent agenda.

@soopaman2 Are you hungry or something?

All religions have radical aspects, but not all religions are radical, Islam is radical! No doubt Christianity was as bad for most it's history and I dread to think where it would be had not secular law became rule. I recall a pastor years ago that stated he wished he could start a "kill a queer for Christ" program. He was a known Baptist evangelist through the SE. Sure, he said it with a laugh, but who says such crap without first having the thought.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Help me out here, and please don't answer if you're aren't 110 % sure

Today I have through several newspaper and some news channels read/heard the English prime minister Cameron saying

that the attack yesterday was a betrayal of Islam

Is that true!? Due to my question, is that I have on several pages and on some of my friends friends wall, read some part of the quran or the haddith, were it says something like this

Kill the infidel where ever you find them or something like that

If it's true then those two person only did what the quran says them to do

or??

Markus

If you go into newspaper'S archives and research it, you will see that after 9/11 the first thing they said was that Islam had nothing to do with it, while in some - not all: some - ME countries people were dancing. After Bali, the me3dia reproted that this was against Islam as well. When the Madrid bombing took place, concern was that Islam may be linkied to it. After the London bombing, poltiicans were fast to reiterate that this was not rep0resenting real Islam. And so on and on and on.

The motivating and convincing influence of Islamic ideology as taught in the Quran, is obvious. Netherless it is claimed that Islam does not motivate violence against Jews and infidels. Where it is clearly said in the Quran that there should be violence and discmrination of infidels and Jews until they convert to Islam, else they should be killed.

Our politicians do appeasement. We are no longer masters in our own house. Tolerance is the self-deception of the weak to make himself believe that he can afford to tolerate the superior. But to quote a Roman writer: the victors did what they could. The beaten suffered what they must.

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It also strikes me time and again that whenever something bad is done by some primitive sucker due to Quranic motivation, it is said that the Quran is a matter of interpretation, and that one needs a cleric's explanation to understand it in the "correct" manner, and that one must read it in Arabic (!) anyway, since this holy divine truth cannot adequately expressed in our primitive Western language anyway. But the Quran is claimed to be the word of God. Is God too stupid or was he simply too drunk so that he could not express himself that clearly that man can understand beyond doubt and without a man in the middle what he means and what he is talking about? Either God is a very stupid retard indeed, or the imperfection of Quran is due to it not being the word of an almighty god.