Okey truther now you can change your belief

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Because if you ignore it, then it becomes commonplace. And then you see what we have today; a forum that is saturated with it. No, being silent and keeping your eyes on the ground is not the way to deal with this sort of thing. It's all about what kind of forum you want to have and having your voice heard. Don't let a minority run everyone else off.

Ok, but I must admit that Im really not seeing this saturation you talk about....sorry.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Ok, but I must admit that Im really not seeing this saturation you talk about....sorry.

Really? You're not seeing the talk about government conspiracy, "manufactured reality", drone attacks against citizens and whatnot in threads up and down the front page? It's in virtually every discussion thread here. It's pervasive.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Really? You're not seeing the talk about government conspiracy, "manufactured reality", drone attacks against citizens and whatnot in threads up and down the front page? It's in virtually every discussion thread here. It's pervasive.

Im seeing the odd post here and there, usually from the same people (who can be counted on one hand more or less)
But it tends to be best contained when its either ignored or humoured, but when it gets a seriouse response, then it can go on and on.

If you truley believe it is such a problem, I would suggest making a simple poll along the lines of, "Should conspiricy therory discussion be banned from GT?"
Poll choices: yes/ No /Dont care.
Depending on the results, you can take it to Neal and request that conspiricy talk be banned from GT, or maybe have it relocated to a sub-forum of sorts.

Because I think there are a few problems with your current approach of stamping on each post or poster you encounter.
1) Its a crusade you will probably never win.
2) It only bumps the topics up and invites further discussion in them.
3) Its not abundantly clear if you are acting in the best intreast of the majority (fine) or just doing it because you personally dont approve of it(not so fine)
4) It comes accross as slightly bully-ish which doesn't reflect so well on you. (even if and when you are in the right)

Just my 2 cents - take it or leave it.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

1) You will never win.

By myself, no. Together, yes we can change things.

2) It only bumps the topics up and invites further discussion in them.

For that thread, yes. For future threads, no. It's about the long term.

3) Its not abundantly clear if you are acting in the best intreast of the majority (fine) or just doing it because you personally dont approve of it(not so fine)

That's why we can decide to take a stand as a community. No one man does it alone. Right now, just letting people run hog wild isn't working. You don't troll them. You don't violate any rules. You just let your voice be heard. Silence doesn't do that.

4) It comes accross as slighlty bully-ish which it doesn't reflect very well on you - especially as a moderator.

I'm not a moderator.

[JU_88]

You used to be moderator , or at least i thought you were once - so my bad.

Yes 'we' can change things, but reason I suggested a poll is to establish exactly who 'we' is first...
You'd be better off making a considerate case to change the rules, rather than trying to bull doze though some kind of ettiquette though flame wars.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

You used to be moderator , or at least i thought you were once - so my bad.

Yes 'we' can change things, but reason I suggested a poll is to establish exactly who 'we' is first...
You'd be better off making a considerate case to change the rules, rather than trying to bull doze though some kind of ettiquette though flame wars.

Why? That technique seems to work for the other side. Why do I have to play nice when others are not bound by those same rules? Why are said rules not uniformly enforced?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Why? That technique seems to work for the other side. Why do I have to play nice when others are not bound by those same rules? Why are said rules not uniformly enforced?

How are they not playing nice? and which rules specifically?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

How are they not playing nice? and which rules specifically?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=326

Why is August able to troll like that? Other members would have gotten the ol' mod smack down. Not him, though.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...&postcount=488

Why does Skybird get to tell people to go shoot themselves? Imagine if that was Tribesman.

And there are dozens of other examples of this sort of favoritism on the first page alone. It's wrong.

[Jimbuna]

Most of my time in the past couple of days has been spent keeping up to speed in the GT section and I am adamant there will be no flame wars here and said rules/ettiquette WILL be uniformly expected of ALL participants who post here.

On that you have my word.

[Jimbuna]

Okay...whilst typing a response there have been numerous post exchanges but trust me...GT will be a level playing field if I have anything to do with it.

The SubSim community members expect nothing less and as long as I'm a member here I will do my honest best to ensure everyone is treated equitably.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Okay...whilst typing a response there have been numerous post exchanges but trust me...GT will be a level playing field if I have anything to do with it.

The SubSim community members expect nothing less and as long as I'm a member here I will do my honest best to ensure everyone is treated equitably.

Okay, but I have shown you where it is happening. And you and I both know that this isn't new. So, yes, I hope you will do something about it. I'll say no more on the issue, at least for now.

You or anyone else who point me to the source can expect remedial action provided the evidence is conclusive regarding breaches of stipulated forum rules.

[JU_88]

Takeda, Did you report the posts? anyway thats not quite what i meant, I didnt think we were talking about people being hostile in general...
Of the two people Ive seen discuss 'conspiricy' the most, Ive never seen either one of them being obnoxious towards anybody over it.

Saying something that might be considered as 'absurd' is not the same as making rude or condecending personal attacks (such as the ones you highlighted).

[Jimbuna]

Apologies for the error on my part regarding the edit function but the contents still stand.

[Jimbuna]

My response to#41:

Okay, but I have shown you where it is happening. And you and I both know that this isn't new. So, yes, I hope you will do something about it. I'll say no more on the issue, at least for now.

You or anyone else who point me to the source can expect remedial action provided the evidence is conclusive regarding breaches of stipulated forum rules.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Takeda, Did you report the posts? anyway thats not quite what i meant, I didnt think we were talking about people being hostile in general...
Of the two people Ive seen discuss 'conspiricy' the most, Ive never seen either one of them being obnoxious towards anybody over it.

Saying something that might be considered as 'absurd' is not the same as making rude or condecending personal attacks (such as the ones you highlighted).

And this is where my point closes the circle. It is the prevalence of these sort of political obsessions, wing nut politics and conspiracy theories that generates the hostility. When you're a moderator, you can tell where the problems are going to be by the title of the thread. I contend that if we, as a community, could have fewer of these we could have fewer of the personal attacks. That would probably make a minority of the members very unhappy, but I think it would improve the quality of life, so to speak, for the majority, and give this community the legs to sustain itself in waiting for new games.

What is happening now mirrors what happened to the Wolfpack League back in 2003. I didn't speak up then, but I will speak up now.