Okey truther now you can change your belief

mapuc · 04-26-13, 08:36 PM

Maybe you have heard that they have found parts from one of the Boing that hit WTC in 2001

Here's the story

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...lowTwt_NYBrand

So to all those who believe that it was some kind of missile, they can now change their belief to-It was some real plane that hit the towers

Markus

Takeda Shingen · 04-26-13, 08:40 PM

Yay! Worm can opened!

Schroeder · 04-26-13, 08:41 PM

"They had 11 years to place it there" will be their answer.

Takeda Shingen · 04-26-13, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

"They had 11 years to place it there" will be their answer.

Hey, I got your PM. I'll reply when I am in a less snarky mood. We're cool, man.

mapuc · 04-26-13, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Yay! Worm can opened!

I had some thought about posting it, ´cause I know were alle those other thread about this issue have derailed

But here's to the moderators Please be free to erase this thread, if this thread should get somehow derailed.

Markus

Schroeder · 04-26-13, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Hey, I got your PM. I'll reply when I am in a less snarky mood. We're cool, man.

No problem. I'm going to bed now anyway. It's a quarter to 4 AM over here.

Tchocky · 04-26-13, 08:48 PM

Ah Jesus Schroeder don't remind what time it is!

I blame House of Cards

Takeda Shingen · 04-26-13, 08:50 PM

Jesus Christ, will you two go to sleep? I'm getting tired just thinking about what time it is over there.

Tchocky · 04-26-13, 08:57 PM

I've been on 3-midnight shifts all week so this is kind of normal. Can't wait to transition to mornings for next week, going to be so much fun to be around.

Platapus · 04-26-13, 09:38 PM

Weird that no one noticed it all these years. But an 18 inch airgap between buildings is pretty small.

soopaman2 · 04-27-13, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Weird that no one noticed it all these years. But an 18 inch airgap between buildings is pretty small.

They found bone fragments on neighboring rooftops a few years later. And the article makes it sound like an entire engine was sitting there. I am a local of this fair city, despite my NJ in my profile.

And there is all kinds of crap, and debris in the alleys of NYC. I can understand how this can be unreported so long, as the only people who would have seen that was the homeless or hookers, both of whom are naturally distrustful of authorities.

I dare you to see what is creeping in a NYC alleyway.

Jimbuna · 04-27-13, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

I dare you to see what is creeping in a NYC alleyway.

Batman?

JU_88 · 04-27-13, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Maybe you have heard that they have found parts from one of the Boing that hit WTC in 2001

Here's the story

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...lowTwt_NYBrand

So to all those who believes that it was some kind of missile, they can now change their belief to-It was some real plane that hit the towers

Markus

Not sure how that would contradict the belief of the average truther, maybe the really nutty ones that insist the aircraft were holograms? Not much point in trying to reason with those people - as they dont do 'reason'

Catfish · 04-27-13, 04:49 AM

First it can have been placed there then, or in the years until now.
Second no one doubts a plane or better two flew into the towers ?

The thing still is who staged this

Just a reminder:

From the Operation Northwoods papers, ideas to make up attacks on own soil (called state terrorism) to have a pretext for attacking other countries, or get certain laws through.
(Exchange 'Cuba/cubans with any country/people you like, or 'Muslims')

And think about that those ideas came from the US secret service:

"Incidents to establish a credible attack:

1. Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.
2. Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on the base.
3. Capture Cuban (friendly) sabateurs inside the base.
4. Start riots near the entrance to the base (friendly Cubans).
5. Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
6. Burn aircraft on airbase (sabotage).
7. Lob morter shells from outsidethe base to inside the base. Some damage to installation.
8. Capture assault teams.
9. Capture militia group which storms the base.
10. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene [napalm].
11. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims.

(b) United States would respond by executing offensive operations.

3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:

a. We could blow up a US ship and blame Cuba.

b. We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.

c. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cubans in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few bombs in carefully chosen spots. The arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating cuban involvement.

5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation. These efforts can be magnified with additional ones contrived for exposure. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incidiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground and "Cuban" shipments of arms which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach.

6. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact.

7. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged.

8. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB [10 separate landing strips on one giant base in the jungle] would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

[...] "

Also this:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

and so on .. slightly different as it happened of course, but those ideas are old stuff from the 1960ies. And it is all about self (state) induced terror, while blaming others and generate pretexts. And if the public demands revenge ...

Dowly · 04-27-13, 05:28 AM

Oh ffs, stop citing Op. Northwoods already. Got absolutely nothing to do with.. well.. anything.

As for OP, pieces of the planes were found right after 9/11 from all 4 crashes.

04-26-13, 08:36 PM	#1
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,548 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Okey truther now you can change your belief Maybe you have heard that they have found parts from one of the Boing that hit WTC in 2001 Here's the story http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...lowTwt_NYBrand So to all those who believe that it was some kind of missile, they can now change their belief to-It was some real plane that hit the towers Markus

04-26-13, 08:41 PM	#3
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	"They had 11 years to place it there" will be their answer. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

04-26-13, 08:48 PM	#7
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Ah Jesus Schroeder don't remind what time it is! I blame House of Cards __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-26-13, 08:57 PM	#9
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I've been on 3-midnight shifts all week so this is kind of normal. Can't wait to transition to mornings for next week, going to be so much fun to be around. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

04-26-13, 09:38 PM	#10
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,391 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Weird that no one noticed it all these years. But an 18 inch airgap between buildings is pretty small. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-26-13, 08:40 PM	#2
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Yay! Worm can opened!

04-26-13, 08:50 PM	#8
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Jesus Christ, will you two go to sleep? I'm getting tired just thinking about what time it is over there.

04-27-13, 04:49 AM	#14
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	First it can have been placed there then, or in the years until now. Second no one doubts a plane or better two flew into the towers ? The thing still is who staged this Just a reminder: From the Operation Northwoods papers, ideas to make up attacks on own soil (called state terrorism) to have a pretext for attacking other countries, or get certain laws through. (Exchange 'Cuba/cubans with any country/people you like, or 'Muslims') And think about that those ideas came from the US secret service: "Incidents to establish a credible attack: 1. Start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio. 2. Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on the base. 3. Capture Cuban (friendly) sabateurs inside the base. 4. Start riots near the entrance to the base (friendly Cubans). 5. Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires. 6. Burn aircraft on airbase (sabotage). 7. Lob morter shells from outsidethe base to inside the base. Some damage to installation. 8. Capture assault teams. 9. Capture militia group which storms the base. 10. Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene [napalm]. 11. Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims. (b) United States would respond by executing offensive operations. 3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms: a. We could blow up a US ship and blame Cuba. b. We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation. c. We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States. We could sink a boatload of Cubans enroute to Florida (real or simulated). We could foster attempts on lives of Cubans in the United States even to the extent of wounding in instances to be widely publicized. Exploding a few bombs in carefully chosen spots. The arrest of Cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating cuban involvement. 5. A "Cuban-based, Castro-supported" filibuster could be simulated against a neighboring Caribbean nation. These efforts can be magnified with additional ones contrived for exposure. "Cuban" B-26 or C-46 type aircraft could make cane-burning raids at night. Soviet Bloc incidiaries could be found. This could be coupled with "Cuban" messages to the Communist underground and "Cuban" shipments of arms which would be found, or intercepted, on the beach. 6. Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact. 7. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. 8. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States. a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB [10 separate landing strips on one giant base in the jungle] would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident. [...] " Also this: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 and so on .. slightly different as it happened of course, but those ideas are old stuff from the 1960ies. And it is all about self (state) induced terror, while blaming others and generate pretexts. And if the public demands revenge ... Last edited by Catfish; 04-27-13 at 05:00 AM.

04-27-13, 05:28 AM	#15
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,055 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Oh ffs, stop citing Op. Northwoods already. Got absolutely nothing to do with.. well.. anything. As for OP, pieces of the planes were found right after 9/11 from all 4 crashes.