someone please explain the 9mm ammo shortage

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by privateer

You do realise that a RED sticker is gonna be placed on your mailbox or close to your house so they know who to take first right?

Ask yubba about those.

If they puts one on my mailbox I'll show them a thing or three by peeling it off.

[Ducimus]

It's really not hard to figure out why you can't find 9MM anywhere, and it's really not that complicated.

Over the last few months, the "Run on the gun stores" is a complete one. Everything firearms related has high demand. Anything that I thought of, hordes of people have already descended upon.

- Go to the local surplus store to pick up an ammo can or three? Check.
They're all sold out.

- Order a new IWB holster? Check. Due to high demand, they're backordered several months.

- Order a new gun safe? Check. Due to high demand, they are backordered for the next year. (thankfully I don't live too far from the factory, or its outlet, so I only have to wait 1 month instead of 1 year)

- Buy Ammo? Check. All sold out.

- How about reloading supplies? Eh, how about that. I do my own reloads.

Get this:

- Small pistol primers? Forget it. Nobody knows when they're getting more in.
- Powder? Forget it. All sold out. Nobody knows when more is coming.
- 115 grain 9mm FMJ bullets? Nope. All sold out. I even checked directly with the manufacturer of my favorite brand. They are back ordered for several months.


Seriously, look at the big picture. 9MM is the most common round used. So Where in the hell do you think it went? It went into the basements, safes, vaults, containers of American's all across the country.

[gimpy117]

"oh god oh no! they're gonna take out guns and then obama is going to rename the US to USSR and make us worship Hitler and Stalin and french food and allah and then we'll all die...so lets buy a whole bunch of ammo and guns while all the ammo companies and bushmaster rub their palms in excitement, and just hope the magnetic repulsion of 10,000 rounds of 9mm can save us from a laser guided bomb or a tank that would in reality be dropped on or driven through your house if there really was an uprising.!!!!!!"

thats pretty much how i see it

[August]

I'm kicking myself I didn't buy a couple thousand rounds of .223 a couple years ago when prices were cheap.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

"oh god oh no! they're gonna take out guns and then obama is going to rename the US to USSR and make us worship Hitler and Stalin and french food and allah and then we'll all die...so lets buy a whole bunch of ammo and guns while all the ammo companies and bushmaster rub their palms in excitement, and just hope the magnetic repulsion of 10,000 rounds of 9mm can save us from a laser guided bomb or a tank that would in reality be dropped on or driven through your house if there really was an uprising.!!!!!!"

thats pretty much how i see it

Your stereotyping, and your wrong.

Also, the majority of people buying up firearms have been people new to guns. It's not johnny redneck montana militiaman talking to god on a two way radio that's been buying everything up.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Your stereotyping, and your wrong.

Also, the majority of people buying up firearms have been people new to guns. It's not johnny redneck montana militiaman talking to god on a two way radio that's been buying everything up.

yeah but they're still freaking out and buying into a trumped up myth perpetuated by conspiracy theorists. they may not actually believe all of what I said, That was in jest and sarcasm, but they still to some extent buy into the myth that all guns wil be taken away and some evil empire bs

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It's really not hard to figure out why you can't find 9MM anywhere, and it's really not that complicated.

Over the last few months, the "Run on the gun stores" is a complete one. Everything firearms related has high demand. Anything that I thought of, hordes of people have already descended upon.

- Go to the local surplus store to pick up an ammo can or three? Check.
They're all sold out.

- Order a new IWB holster? Check. Due to high demand, they're backordered several months.

- Order a new gun safe? Check. Due to high demand, they are backordered for the next year. (thankfully I don't live too far from the factory, or its outlet, so I only have to wait 1 month instead of 1 year)

- Buy Ammo? Check. All sold out.

- How about reloading supplies? Eh, how about that. I do my own reloads.

Get this:

- Small pistol primers? Forget it. Nobody knows when they're getting more in.
- Powder? Forget it. All sold out. Nobody knows when more is coming.
- 115 grain 9mm FMJ bullets? Nope. All sold out. I even checked directly with the manufacturer of my favorite brand. They are back ordered for several months.


Seriously, look at the big picture. 9MM is the most common round used. So Where in the hell do you think it went? It went into the basements, safes, vaults, containers of American's all across the country.

I would agree here. Lets' liken this to a snow storm. Everyone runs to the store for milk and bread. People make a run on snow shovels and salt. It is the idea of foreboding that drives people to purchase way beyond what would be considered reasonable. So, start talking guns and removing a few types of weapons creates the environment of foreboding. People make a run on weapons. These weapons need bullets. This time around, it seems 9mm is the caliber of choice. Toss in some doubt of where the country is going. The brew for a run on guns and bullets is complete.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

yeah but they're still freaking out and buying into a trumped up myth perpetuated by conspiracy theorists. they may not actually believe all of what I said, That was in jest and sarcasm, but they still to some extent buy into the myth that all guns wil be taken away and some evil empire bs

No, I think your oversimplifying the situation. I like things simple myself, but this is one of those things that has a lot of contributing factors. I personally rank the "Fema camp" styled crackpot theories at the bottom of the list.

Two things i can think of off the top of my head.

- "I better get mine before i can't!". People never appreciate what they have, or could have until it's gone or the option taken away from them. From multiple sources ive heard from California to Oklahoma, , including local ones here in utah, it seems approximately 80% of the customers in gun stores have never owned a gun before, or maybe own a single firearm and haven't been into a gun store in years.

- Uncertain future. Seriously, i think everyone is a little uncertain as to what the future may bring. I don't think it's any coincidence there's been a rise of "doomsday preppers". Their reasoning ranges from the outlandish, to remotely feasible. Entire industries are springing up around this now. But when you consider our national debt/deficiet, economy, political polarization, and anything else i can't remember at the moment, it's no big stretch, nor big surprise to say that people are uncertain. With that uncertainly, they want to be able to defend themselves and their homes.

I'm sure there's more to add to this list if sat here and thought about it long enough, but I think you get my point. At any rate, I don't think this is just about the crackpot theories your talking about. (IE fema camps, new world order, etc etc) There's a bit more to it then that.

[August]

Gimpy complaining about conspiracy theories instead of believing in them? Now that's a switch.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aaah, the .45 and the M1911, fantastic examples of gun design. Good stoppers, solid, reliable, you can see the ancestry coming down into the design that's stood the test of time. Well over a hundred years old and still going strong, you can't say that for many weapon designs.

We used the Webley for a while, good weapon but we phased it out in favour of the Browning IIRC.

Of course, then there's the Lee Enfield, original MLE design in 1895, SMLE design in 1907, and still being used in various hotspots in the world today.

Admittedly though, the Russkies have us beat with the Mosin-Nagant, soldiering on from 1891 to the present day.

You mean to say 7.62x54mmR I call it Russian 7.62 the R at the end stands for rimed(no longer common with military rounds or most ammo these days).It is not the same original design round though the bullet itself gained a more conical shape(known as a "Spitzer" in German Spitzgeschoß "pointy bullet" that was in 1908 after experience in the Russo-Japanses war) in the early 20th century and the ballistic behavior has been improved a few times over the years.

The thing about your statement though it is not 100% accurate as any Mosins still around today(in tha hands of combatants) are most likely to be M1944's or the Chinese version of the same design making them 70 years old at the most.Maybe a little older if they are carrying a 91/30 and they would be firing modern round.The SMLE was produced new in Pakistan as recently as the late 1980s.

It is a good round though for a rifle it out performs(not by a huge margin) the NATO 7.62x51mm pretty good considering that the NATO round is half the age of old Russian.It is not the best round do to its rimmed nature for a metallic link belt fed machine gun but they got it to work fairly well with the PKM(though a rimless would be better in any modern MG design).

Supposedly they had a lot of trouble designing a reliable box magazine for the SVD as well this again would be due to the rimmed design.I wonder why they do not simply produce a slightly redesigned rimless version.

The M1944 though that is a handy rifle gets the job done for sure so long as you don't run rounds that run hot lest they make the bolt sticky.I like the M1944 so much I own three of them i can not honestly tell you how many rounds of 7.62x54 I have but there is a lot of it.In my opinion the Mosin-Nagant is the best rifle ever designed.Simo Häyhä thought so and sniped with iron sights taking down 505 Soviet soldiers of course with the Finnish version of the 91/30(not a carbine).

[August]

There's a bill in Congress right now to add a nickel tax to every bullet. One up in front of the Maryland State legislature would add 50% tax to bullet purchases. There are similar bills pending in at least 5 more states.

Sounds to me like stocking up on ammo now is a very wise move.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

There's a bill in Congress right now to add a nickel tax to every bullet. One up in front of the Maryland State legislature would add 50% tax to bullet purchases. There are similar bills pending in at least 5 more states.

Sounds to me like stocking up on ammo now is a very wise move.

Sounds to me like a well orchestrated tax proposal to me. It seems the government is really stretching the tax nonsense. Sometimes they call it a fee. In MD there is a "fee" for rain water run off. It is based on the square footage of land one owns. It also include the roof top square footage. It is getting as bad as the window tax.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by August

There's a bill in Congress right now to add a nickel tax to every bullet. One up in front of the Maryland State legislature would add 50% tax to bullet purchases. There are similar bills pending in at least 5 more states.

Sounds to me like stocking up on ammo now is a very wise move.

If that passes tax evasion will become very popular.It might also result in the tax getting "paid" with the delivery at high velocity of the taxed item.That would be my method of payment.I am seeing reliable sources on states proposing ammunition taxes but nothing on one in Congress so I am not so sure how accurate that story is.

They do love their revenue the red light cameras are an outstanding example.I dislike people honestly running a traffic light but I dislike to a far greater extent when the lights are set up so that the caution light lasts only two or three seconds giving even a law abiding person little chance to stop safely if they are with in 200 ft of the light the light change time being beyond the reasonable recation time.I hear that many state level judges are ruling against these scams.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by August

There's a bill in Congress right now to add a nickel tax to every bullet. One up in front of the Maryland State legislature would add 50% tax to bullet purchases. There are similar bills pending in at least 5 more states.

Sounds to me like stocking up on ammo now is a very wise move.

Yeah a tax on ammo has been in the rumormill for awhile. I think it's one of the reasons you can't even find reloading supplies right now. Any word on if they're going to try and tax components too, or is it just assembled factory rounds?

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah a tax on ammo has been in the rumormill for awhile. I think it's one of the reasons you can't even find reloading supplies right now. Any word on if they're going to try and tax components too, or is it just assembled factory rounds?

I'm sure it will be on everything. If you reload you might even have to pay a separate tax for each component.