Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by yubba

Well I guess I win, all you got is name calling, and ridicual,.,

You don't win, because you don't get it any more than Bubblehead does. You ridicule everyone who doesn't think like you in every post you make.

I'll try to explain it. People don't make fun of you for what you say, but for how you say it. If you believe these things, then fine. Talk about them. Discuss them; but don't just spout them as if you're some kind of prophet. You're not. People give you grief because you don't discuss these things. You preach them, and you don't do it particularly well.

I'm seriously trying to help. As long as you continue to play the clown people will continue to treat you that way.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

You don't win, because you don't get it any more than Bubblehead does. You ridicule everyone who doesn't think like you in every post you make.

I'll try to explain it. People don't make fun of you for what you say, but for how you say it. If you believe these things, then fine. Talk about them. Discuss them; but don't just spout them as if you're some kind of prophet. You're not. People give you grief because you don't discuss these things. You preach them, and you don't do it particularly well.

I'm seriously trying to help. As long as you continue to play the clown people will continue to treat you that way.

The thing is, Steve, I suspect that he's so entrenched in his beliefs, so blinkered and full of hatred towards the current American government, that he truly believes everything he says, and nothing we say or do will sway him from that. Even more, he can dismiss us all as 'stamping on Jesus' or 'liberals' when we try to prove that what he's saying is actually mostly either political spin, scaremongering or just outright lies. For some people, even though they are alone in their beliefs, or near enough so, they still cannot accept the possibility that they may be wrong, it's a sort of martyrdom-esque stance. They believe that they are the only one who can see the 'coming storm' and it's their duty, perhaps their god-given duty, to 'sound the alarm' and try to warn people before it's too late.
You can swap out Obama and put in any number of doomsday prophecies, and it's the same sort of stubborn self-delusion that people like Harold Camping (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Camping) have, that lead them to announce to all and sundry that the end of the world will happen on X date. They honestly believe in it, and they believe that what they are doing is right and just.
At least with people that call the end of the world though they usually start to change their tune when the world doesn't end. The trouble with the FEMA death camp lot is that they'll keep believing it so long as it doesn't happen.

In short, as much as you want to help him, he is quite beyond help and will in fact likely view your attempts to reason with him as some sort of attack.

[Simmy]

I live in America. I didn't fight the British for my freedom, someone else did that. I have to believe that the founding fathers, the richest men in America, decided that they needed to be free so that they could make the laws and collect the taxes and basically do all the things that they were apposed to the English doing.
I believe they made guns a big deal in the 2nd amendant because:
1) they themselves just turned on their master and wanted to be sure everyone was armed in case they needed to fight again. But try saying that the government as it stands today is corrupted and needs to be overturned. They will consider that as High Treason.
2) people in that time lived in the wide open spaces and guns were needed to defend ones family and land from criminals and animals that roamed around that are not that much of a problem today.

Back then a soldier or an experienced hunter could load and aim about 3 shots per minute. Now any crazy person without much experience can fire 30 round from a AR15 or AK47 as fast as they can pull the trigger, and reload another 30 round clip faster than the guys who made this law could switch weapons. Does anyone really think that if Washington or Jefferson were alive today that they would argue that the common person would need such a weapon?
They saw that the only truely free people were people that were armed. To totally take away weapons is to create a police state, a bad idea that is evident in many places of the world. But something must be done to stop unbalanced people from being able to kill 20/30 children just because they can.

[Buddahaid]

Yubba, you're the only person I ever put on my ignore list, but I took you off after a week because you're just Yubba, and harmless. I'm not convinced you are for real and are just role playing, but you don't get mad and indignant. You sprout anew with the same songs.

[Hottentot]

Are we there yet?

[Buddahaid]

Gettin' there!

Well I guess I win, all you got is name calling, and ridicual

Your posts lack any substance for any other type of reply.

For example

yubba may just be simple pawn in great scheme of the life but at least yubba knows how to open a can of food with out electricity

wow give yourself a gold star, you can be top pupil at infant school today

[Feuer Frei!]

Btw Tribesman, could you, when quoting people actually include their names please? Makes for much easier reading. Thanks in advance.

[Ducimus]

Even if your not a gun owner, you should be concerned about what the government is trying to do with your rights in general.

[Oberon]

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Oberon

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See, not quite there yet.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Oberon

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Your Location: Suffolk, UK

I fail to see how this concerns you, nor how a smart assed face palm was warranted. You should be thankful that i've been making an effort to keep my posts on the subject within as few threads as freaking possible.

I'm past the point of joking around on this issue, and this issue past the point of making jokes. If you have a problem with me, you can kindly kiss my ass.

[Oberon]

Fair enough, I retract my previous statement, at least it's in the same thread. I just fail to see how this is much more than scaremongering designed to incense anyone vaguely right of centre when it's fairly obvious that with the amount of publicity in right wing media at the moment that no anti-gun bill is going to gain much traction with any republican senators. Thus, such bills are doomed to fail from the start, no matter how many times that democrat senators try to push it through.

[Jimbuna]

This is obviously a topic of concern to some more than others but it is being aired publicly in the GT thread and as such is open to varying levels of consideration and response.

I hope we can carry on the debate without resorting to insults between members.

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Fair enough, I retract my previous statement, at least it's in the same thread. I just fail to see how this is much more than scaremongering designed to incense anyone vaguely right of centre when it's fairly obvious that with the amount of publicity in right wing media at the moment that no anti-gun bill is going to gain much traction with any republican senators. Thus, such bills are doomed to fail from the start, no matter how many times that democrat senators try to push it through.

I'm sure there are plenty of Democrats and Republicans who would love to make this a party partisan issue but it's not. There are plenty of Democrat 2nd Amendment supporters and plenty of Republican anti-gunners.