Emergency hearing over Abu Qatada

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21955844

I don't believe this. I just don't believe this.

They laugh in our faces while we make total idiots of ourselves.

I don't believe this. I just don't believe this.

Why?
How could the ruling be any different?

They laugh in our faces while we make total idiots of ourselves.

You would make a total idiot of yourself by changing the law to allow torture in legal cases.

[Jimbuna]

Stick him on a plane to Jordan and pay the paltry financial penalty the EU would impose.

Stick him on a plane to Jordan and pay the paltry financial penalty the EU would impose.

Remind me again how many millions your British court ordered your British government to pay people it stuck on planes breaking British law.
Forget the EU, its the British system.
If you want to "cure" the problem you must remove the independance of the British judiciary and allow for British law to be broken at will by politicians on whatever whim they have on any particular day.
Not a very nice "cure" is it.

[Oberon]

Tribesman has a point, the EU human rights laws may make it damn difficult to deport this man who we have no want or money to keep, but if we withdrew from it, as the Tories want to, I don't like the idea of a Conservative government deciding what human rights are all about.
The law is the law, even if it is an ass, it's still the law.

I wonder how much this process is costing in legal fees though, compared to how much it would cost to keep him under lock and key here...

You miss the main point Oberon, its British law which prevents the deportation.
May is going to appeal again, she has failed to convince 4 british judges that she is following british law, her next step is to try and convince 7 british judges that she is not breaking british law.
I cannot see her winning that arguement unless the jordanian government comes up with a whole new case and a whole new set of evidence...or she changes british law.

You do hit a good point though it would have been far cheaper to throw him in jail upon conviction for the crimes he is alledged to have committed in Britain, and most people seem to agree that the evidence of his guilt there is overwhelming

[Jimbuna]

Stick a fork in him, he's done........hopefully.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

You miss the main point Oberon, its British law which prevents the deportation.
May is going to appeal again, she has failed to convince 4 british judges that she is following british law, her next step is to try and convince 7 british judges that she is not breaking british law.
I cannot see her winning that arguement unless the jordanian government comes up with a whole new case and a whole new set of evidence...or she changes british law.

You do hit a good point though it would have been far cheaper to throw him in jail upon conviction for the crimes he is alledged to have committed in Britain, and most people seem to agree that the evidence of his guilt there is overwhelming

It's all trying to score bonus points with the joe public anyway. That's the primary reason they're going to all this trouble to try and get rid of him, to score points for the election.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The law is the law, even if it is an ass, it's still the law.

No Oberon, when the law rides up and down through the instances for years and years and years and years and then starts again, then this is not the rule of any law worth that name - it is a caricature of a law, and the only message it sends is: the law means nothing, since there is always the next instance to oppose the instance before. And so it goes on and on and on. That way, the law makes a fool of itself. Needless to say: it looses in trustworthiness as well.

If the bastard at least would be forced to work, so that the fruits of his labour would be sold and used to pay for the costs he is causing to the community. But not even this. No, the community has to pay for this farce in full.

( I think prison inmates also should be forced to work to produce an income by which they pay for their food, clothing, healthcare and accomodation. It is an absurdity that the community has to pay for the imprisoning of criminals to protect itself from them. )

This case is a great encouragement for bastards coming after this hate-dripping parasite to try to abuse the system like he did. And we will again allow that to happen.

If there is one thing I have learned over the past two or three years, then it is to what degree the very roots of your social systems and states and to what degree the very rules and laws we play by must be put in question. And when one climbs onto the top of that heap of rotting civilization, and looks down to the ground where reality has been left behind, then one must take care not to immediately get befallen by dizziness, that high that heap already is.

It's all trying to score bonus points with the joe public anyway. That's the primary reason they're going to all this trouble to try and get rid of him, to score points for the election.

Oberon.
The irony is that the impasse they have landed themselves in is a direct result of them trying to score bonus points with joe public.
The sticking point is a change in British law which was intended to stop lengthy appeals against granted deportations.
Unfortunately in this case it backfired as the mechanism to stop refugees overturning a courts decision also means that unless the government can show the judges erred in applying British law in the original hearing they are unable to overturn the courts decision.
Pandering to joe publics calls of kick the immigrants out has left them with a copperfastened case of not being able to kick an immigrant out.

If there is one thing I have learned over the past two or three years, then it is to what degree the very roots of your social systems and states and to what degree the very rules and laws we play by must be put in question. And when one climbs onto the top of that heap of rotting civilization, and looks down to the ground where reality has been left behind, then one must take care not to immediately get befallen by dizziness, that high that heap already is.

Is that a sermon by Abu Hamza Sky just quoted?

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Stick him on a plane to Jordan and pay the paltry financial penalty the EU would impose.

Just throw him in a cell and chuck away the key and then let nature take course. And let the horrid bastard starve to death.

[BossMark]

I keep reading how much money the country is wasting on failed deportation attempts for the radical Muslim cleric Abu Qatada.

Would it not be more satisfying and cheaper just to kick him in the balls?

[eddie]

Originally Posted by BossMark

I keep reading how much money the country is wasting on failed deportation attempts for the radical Muslim cleric Abu Qatada.

Would it not be more satisfying and cheaper just to kick him in the balls?

LOL

I keep reading how much money the country is wasting on failed deportation attempts for the radical Muslim cleric Abu Qatada.

And more money again.
So it failed again as expected, and now they want to change their law under an article which clearly specifies it does not apply in this case, so thats another waste of money.
Or make a new law in 2 years...which won't work either.
Or get a new "promise" from Jordan which the courts have already said won't be worth the paper it is written on.
Brainless muppets. Deport May instead.

[BossMark]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Brainless muppets. Deport May instead.

Best idea I have heard on this subject