Ephraim and Manasseh - Do you think they are England and America?

Simmy · 03-04-13, 03:05 PM

Takeda Shingen · 03-04-13, 03:07 PM

Um.

Oberon · 03-04-13, 03:24 PM

Well, Ephraim and Manasseh supposedly merged to form the House of Joseph, and I don't see America and England merging any time soon...unless of course America buys England, which is entirely possible...

So...well...no, I don't really see the comparisons.

MH · 03-04-13, 03:26 PM

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Ephraim and Manasseh - Do you think they are England and America?

Menashe is in India , some say in Manipur.

Efraim not sure.

...but what?

Takeda Shingen · 03-04-13, 03:27 PM

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Well, Ephraim and Manasseh supposedly merged to form the House of Joseph, and I don't see America and England merging any time soon...unless of course America buys England, which is entirely possible...

So...well...no, I don't really see the comparisons.

But are America and England The Fox and the Hound?

Oberon · 03-04-13, 04:04 PM

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But are America and England The Fox and the Hound?

Possible, although I think there's more of a father/son relationship to work out...perhaps:

Just think, Luke (America) meets Obi-wan (France) to help him fight Vader (UK), Vader defeats Obi-Wan (Napoleonic wars) but is unable to defeat Skywalker, despite wounding him badly (War of Independence, war of 1812), however eventually Vader and Luke team up to destroy Palpatine (Germany).

geetrue · 03-04-13, 04:27 PM

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They were the two sons of Joseph born to him in Egypt.
Ephraim was to become a "common Wealth of nations" and Manasseh was to be "the Great nation".

It's a very interesting subject (problem) because the Jews never fulfilled either of these prophecies .

In fact the first time the word "Jew" is used in the Bible, the Jews are at war with Israel. IIKings 16:6 KJV.
In the NKJV it says "the men of Judah". Jew was a nickname which meant Men or people of Judah.

I just find it fascinating at the least.

The youngest son of Joseph was Ephraim, which means twice the blessing, and the oldest was Manasseh.

When Jacob (later to be named Israel) went to place his hands on their heads to bless them (as was the custom in those days to pass on a blessing) Joseph had to change his fathers hands to make Ephraim (the youngest) more blessed than his older brother Manasseh.

Jacob himself had been the younger of two twins with his brother Esau being the first born and in turn of course jacob had been more blessed than Esau by tricking his faher Issac into blessing him by pretending to be his older brother Esau.

To answer your question, "No I don't think so"

seeing's how England is older than America, but still a good thought.

I've been wondering who gog and magog are myself due to will it be in our life time?

Takeda Shingen · 03-04-13, 04:29 PM

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Possible, although I think there's more of a father/son relationship to work out...perhaps:

Just think, Luke (America) meets Obi-wan (France) to help him fight Vader (UK), Vader defeats Obi-Wan (Napoleonic wars) but is unable to defeat Skywalker, despite wounding him badly (War of Independence, war of 1812), however eventually Vader and Luke team up to destroy Palpatine (Germany).

Betonov · 03-04-13, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Just think, Luke (America) meets Obi-wan (France) to help him fight Vader (UK), Vader defeats Obi-Wan (Napoleonic wars) but is unable to defeat Skywalker, despite wounding him badly (War of Independence, war of 1812), however eventually Vader and Luke team up to destroy Palpatine (Germany).

This makes so much sense it actually bothers me

Sailor Steve · 03-04-13, 04:31 PM

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In fact the first time the word "Jew" is used in the Bible, the Jews are at war with Israel. IIKings 16:6 KJV.
In the NKJV it says "the men of Judah". Jew was a nickname which meant Men or people of Judah.

I just find it fascinating at the least.

In fact, the tribe of Judah was the largest of the tribes. They were all one under Saul, David and Solomon. when Solomon's son turned out to be a tyrant his leading general rebelled. The northern tribes followed, and the separate Kingdoms of Judah and Israel were born. Both claimed to be the natural heir to the combined kingdom. When the Assyrians defeated Israel they took the majority of the people into captivity and pulled the effective switcheroo of replacing them with other conquered peoples. This was where the much maligned Samaritans came from.

The original ten tribes did not become America, England or any other country. They were absorbed into the surrounding populace and ceased to exist as an entity. Their descendants are still out there, some of them anyway.

Nothing magical, mystical or fascinating about it. It's the way empires have always worked.

AVGWarhawk · 03-04-13, 04:38 PM

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It's the way empires have always worked.

Not when the empire strikes back.

Singed · 03-04-13, 04:47 PM

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Just think, Luke (America) meets Obi-wan (France) to help him fight Vader (UK), Vader defeats Obi-Wan (Napoleonic wars) but is unable to defeat Skywalker, despite wounding him badly (War of Independence, war of 1812), however eventually Vader and Luke team up to destroy Palpatine (Germany).

Just wanted to note that Luke also met Han Solo, a space pirate, who assisted him. America met Jean Lafitte, a non-space pirate who assisted them in the war of 1812.

kiwi_2005 · 03-04-13, 05:04 PM

edit.
double post

kiwi_2005 · 03-04-13, 05:15 PM

Ephraim and Manasseh England & America. Part of the 12 tribes of Israel

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/tribes.html

Ephraim was the brother of Manasseh, and the son of Joseph and Asenath, Pharoah's daughter. Jacob adopted the two sons as part of the tribe of Simeon and Reuben. Ephraim received the blessing of the firstborn, although Manasseh was the eldest, because Jacob foresaw that Ephraim's ancestors would be greater than his brother's (Genesis 48:13-20).

Ephram is England and its allies Australia, NZ, some pacific islands.

Manasseh was the son of Joseph and Asnat (Pharoah's daughter) and brother of Ephraim. Jacob adopts both Manasseh and his brother Ephraim as part of the tribe of Simeon and Reuben. Although Manasseh was technically the eldest son, he does not receive the greater blessing. Ephraim does, as Jacob foresaw that his descendants were more worthy of the blessing than Manasseh's (Genesis 48:13-20).

Manasseh is America,

03-04-13, 05:22 PM

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Ephraim and Manasseh England & America. One of the 12 tribes of Israel

Sounds like British Isrealism and "christian" identity.

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Ephraim and Manasseh England & America. Part of the 12 tribes of Israel http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...sm/tribes.html Ephraim was the brother of Manasseh, and the son of Joseph and Asenath, Pharoah's daughter. Jacob adopted the two sons as part of the tribe of Simeon and Reuben. Ephraim received the blessing of the firstborn, although Manasseh was the eldest, because Jacob foresaw that Ephraim's ancestors would be greater than his brother's (Genesis 48:13-20). Ephram is England and its allies Australia, NZ, some pacific islands. Manasseh was the son of Joseph and Asnat (Pharoah's daughter) and brother of Ephraim. Jacob adopts both Manasseh and his brother Ephraim as part of the tribe of Simeon and Reuben. Although Manasseh was technically the eldest son, he does not receive the greater blessing. Ephraim does, as Jacob foresaw that his descendants were more worthy of the blessing than Manasseh's (Genesis 48:13-20). Manasseh is America, __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Well, Ephraim and Manasseh supposedly merged to form the House of Joseph, and I don't see America and England merging any time soon...unless of course America buys England, which is entirely possible... So...well...no, I don't really see the comparisons.