Lobbyplag

Skybird · 02-11-13, 05:28 PM

http://lobbyplag.eu/#/compare/overview

This platform has just started its work. Maybe worth to add to favourites and have a look at it occasionally.

Insiders and observers say that per member of the EU parliament there are 40-50 lobbyists in Brussel. The majority of these represent American business and American interests. Their - democratically totally unlegitimated influence that completely bypasses the voters - is immense and cannot be overestimated.

Catfish · 02-12-13, 02:53 AM

Site does not seem to work in Internet explorer, Firefox does it though.

But i agree, should send all lobbyists and politicians to either this hotel at Dubai, or to Blackrock center, and then use all 8000 US drones at once, for something useful.

edit: Wow, those relations and proposals are .. alarming

Most of those bureaucrats do not even read the proposals before just signing them .. i wonder where the european lobby center is then, abroad ?

Skybird · 02-12-13, 07:44 AM

As a matter of fact politicians tend to just paste and copy what lobby groups have send them in drafts, or the new law texts is designed by a lobby agency in the first, which includes lawyers working for them. Estimations vary between 70 and 90% of such texts being injected by lobby groups.

Which makes total and complete mockery of the meaning of democracy and elections (just referring to what these claim to be, not wanting to imply they do better under ideal circumstances).

A listing with footnotes identifying every source of a text injected by a lobby should be mandatory in any law and treaty text. And then the listing of such sources would become longer than the overall law text. However, politicians will not allow that, and lobby groups are in such a powerfull position that they can prevent this. The simpe truth is: we are living in a lobbycracy. You cannot change by playing by the rules, because the rules are their rules.

If it is true what is said about lobbies, that they push into and abuse the spaces where politicians do not know stuff and thus helplessly just believe what they get whispered into their ears or get bribed for, then the amount of lobbyism also illustrated the horrendous level of incompetence and dilletancy of the political "elite". But of course, it continues to shamelessly live extremely well by it.

02-11-13, 05:28 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Lobbyplag http://lobbyplag.eu/#/compare/overview This platform has just started its work. Maybe worth to add to favourites and have a look at it occasionally. Insiders and observers say that per member of the EU parliament there are 40-50 lobbyists in Brussel. The majority of these represent American business and American interests. Their - democratically totally unlegitimated influence that completely bypasses the voters - is immense and cannot be overestimated. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-12-13, 07:44 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,604 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	As a matter of fact politicians tend to just paste and copy what lobby groups have send them in drafts, or the new law texts is designed by a lobby agency in the first, which includes lawyers working for them. Estimations vary between 70 and 90% of such texts being injected by lobby groups. Which makes total and complete mockery of the meaning of democracy and elections (just referring to what these claim to be, not wanting to imply they do better under ideal circumstances). A listing with footnotes identifying every source of a text injected by a lobby should be mandatory in any law and treaty text. And then the listing of such sources would become longer than the overall law text. However, politicians will not allow that, and lobby groups are in such a powerfull position that they can prevent this. The simpe truth is: we are living in a lobbycracy. You cannot change by playing by the rules, because the rules are their rules. If it is true what is said about lobbies, that they push into and abuse the spaces where politicians do not know stuff and thus helplessly just believe what they get whispered into their ears or get bribed for, then the amount of lobbyism also illustrated the horrendous level of incompetence and dilletancy of the political "elite". But of course, it continues to shamelessly live extremely well by it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-12-13, 02:53 AM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Site does not seem to work in Internet explorer, Firefox does it though. But i agree, should send all lobbyists and politicians to either this hotel at Dubai, or to Blackrock center, and then use all 8000 US drones at once, for something useful. edit: Wow, those relations and proposals are .. alarming Most of those bureaucrats do not even read the proposals before just signing them .. i wonder where the european lobby center is then, abroad ?