Britain's PM faces gay marriage revolt as plots swirl - Page 3

AVGWarhawk · 02-06-13, 01:15 PM

Nailed it.

Herr-Berbunch · 02-06-13, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The thread is not about cat marriage or is it?

However, if it was a gay British cat it would be ok.

Fixed, to bring it back on topic. Go me!

HundertzehnGustav · 02-06-13, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Gustav, you have it backwards.
If you trawl back to the last major gay marriage topic Haplo kindly produced a link which unfortunately for him destroyed that line of arguement
The early church in rome started getting in on the marriage business which was a civil/governmental matter.
At the end of the day marriage is what it always has been, simply a business contract.

That is what a history book says.
I still associate marriage with church and religion though...
cannot help that feeling.

HundertzehnGustav · 02-06-13, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

In the event that you are actually being serious here - because your cat cannot legally consent to take part in such a union, in the same way that a child or a lump of coal or a blow-up doll cannot legally consent to it. Another adult human, regardless of sex, can.

But many other adults should not have the right to consent for lack of intelligence

HundertzehnGustav · 02-06-13, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kranz

Why do you restrict marriage to a union between people?
I love my cat. Every morning he comes to me and rubs at my legs. When I show him my fist, he hits it with his head. He allows being scratched on his belly.
According to cat experts it is a symbol of devotion and affection.
Why can't I marry my cat then?

Dear mods: please pay more attention to posts such as the one by user: Cybermat47 because they have deeply hurt my feelings.

So i am married to my PC.
wherevrr i go i carry a USB stick. Ring.
whenever i come home, he is there for me.
he warms my house and keeps me laughing. feeds me ridles and lets me have this AHA moment once in a while.

humans do not always do that for me.

what about mah DOG. warms my feet and greets me every day - morning noon and night.. follows me round wherever i go and has so far been a faithful companion.

Oberon · 02-06-13, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

That is what a history book says.
I still associate marriage with church and religion though...
cannot help that feeling.

I got married at a golf club...and I don't even play golf!

Jimbuna · 02-06-13, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

I got married at a golf club...and I don't even play golf!

I guess she brought the correct clubs with her then

Oberon · 02-06-13, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I guess she brought the correct clubs with her then

mookiemookie · 02-06-13, 02:29 PM

I am completely against changing the definition of marriage. That is why I am expecting goats, cows and a dowry from my fiancee's family.

Jimbuna · 02-06-13, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Aye, they're the correct type

Skybird · 02-06-13, 03:11 PM

To illustrate what insane absurdity the hystery about gay rights has reached, just a small detail from Germany: this christmas season, in Cologne they have had the first "gay christmas market".

What the holy punky freakiness should that be - a gay christmas market? And what has the one to do with the other, Christmas with gay policy? Reinventing the christmas story? Mary'S immaculate conception because Joseph was gay and got no erection when laying down with a woman? Baby Jesus - a gay? Gay Santa Claus? Or Herodes' pogrom against the Jews - a gay-hating mass murder trying to kill gay babies?

We have voices in Germany that seriously want children and teens being encouraged by school to make lesbian and gay experiences - not encouraging them would violate the public schools' order to give unbiased and undiscriminating education to young people on everything.

Some - I say again: not all, but some - go even one step further. Some want quotas - quotas! - of gay and lesbian people in the population being met. So and so many people have to be gay, such and such a huge proportion of the population should be educated to become lesbian. That would foster equal rights, and battle against discriminating of gays, so the argument. Girls and boys, so the false and unproven claim, have no sexual identities anyway, but are sexual neuters, and can be formed according to statistic needs. Well, medicine and psychology know that better, and since long time now.

HOW MUCH MORE INSANE COULD IT BECOME, HOW MUCH MORE SICK, ROTTEN, DUMB, RETARDED, INHUMANE - STUPID...???

Homosexuality is debated and discussed since many years day in, day out, and nobody - except bad bad boys like me - dare to express an opinion of anger and disgust over this omnipresence of the theme in public discussion. Still - they claim that there is too little debate about it.

Reminds of the noise that Islam is making : also being talked about day in and day out - and still claiming to be ignored and marginalised.

Heck, the one as well as the other is OMNIPRESENT!

It's political correctness hysteria. Plain and simple this: hysteria. Dear Western people, you are too well off, and you spend your time with caring for luxury problems and blowing up mosquitos to the size of elephants.

And the whole project is massively ideology-driven: left-leaning ideology, to be clear on that. Devaluing and ridiculing families, so that women go into factories and cheap wages jobs to produce tax income for the state (German SPD's Andrea Nahles have even said that in relatively clear words just short time ago - again), and the children at the age of less than one year kept in kindergardens, obligatory, so that they can get drilled and brainwashed with politically wanted socialist collectivistic spirit from early childhood on. Destruction of the male and female characteristics by gender-engineering and denying any differences (ignoring loads and loads of hard, solid scientific evidence proving how wrong and unproven genderistic claims are and how much damage they do in children), all people not being equal by biology - but that being ignored and these tabula rasa-people treated as if they were a tabula rasa indeed, and being made equal by force - by socialist ideology, pressed into equality in a uniform meaning of the term. And, no wonder, the EU is forerunning in this, too, not just the 1968-German rev olluers and the dilletantic reform pedagocis and the lefties and the feminists. Its a huge and powerful and unscrupulous alliance that has formed up there, and it wants the ultimate power and it does not take No as an answer.

Equality of men and women, equal rights - and making people equal in a collectivistic, totalitarian understanding of uniformity - that are two very different things. The latter is also about total exchangeability of everybody, and denial of individuality, even a biological predetermine sexual identity. You do not believe that? Do some reading on the role of women in the society of the USSR, especially the early one, and the Third Reich. It should spring into your eyes.

The destruction of the respectability of family and "mother" is precondition for all that, becasue an intact family and totalitarian claims for a superstate'S collective control do not go well together. That is the reason why mothers's role is being ridiculed these days, and why it is described as something of less or no value compared to work in a job, as if their work to form a family a home and to give children a place to return to after school, a safe haven for a good childhood, is only good enough to be laughed about and ridiculed, and any political attempt to encourage such mothers' self-chosen role and aid it financially is met with vitriolic cynism and mocking laughter, and hurting offences. The biggest hate feminists express for women that refuse to submit to the role design feminists have for "real women".

And that is the reason why the same social circles and politicians are supporting the equality of "gay marriage" - it damages the respectability and specially protected status of families by marginalising and deleting the constitutional protection and support for families. Socialists do not want mothers and fathers caring for children. The party should care for the drill of children. To ensure they become good Junge Pioniere, fundaments of the party's and the ideology's future power.

We have been there. We have seen it all. It was not good, never. And it always led to breakdown of whole societies, often at the cost of massive bloodshed and/or destruction of the world around. The rights of gays, ignored or campaigned for - they are just a strawman's argument, sometimes making them serve as scapegoats, sometimes turning them into propaganda strawmen. But it is about much more and different than gay rights. In reality it is about the establishing of the totalitarian socialist superstate. I admit one needs to look beyond the surface of the gay debate to see this, and needs to link many other things together - radical feminism, mobbing of male values, gender-enmgineering, state-control over already the youngest children. When one is looking at how the european states and parties shift more and more to the left and how the EU interferes more and more with peopleS' lives, and how we all get more and more overregulated by a bureaucratic regime rooted in Brussel, the conclusion is quite self-recommending.

Takeda Shingen · 02-06-13, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I am completely against changing the definition of marriage. That is why I am expecting goats, cows and a dowry from my fiancee's family.

How is your fiancee handling the other wives and concubines? Oh, wait, that's right she doesn't get a say in the matter.

mookiemookie · 02-06-13, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

How is your fiancee handling the other wives and concubines? Oh, wait, that's right she doesn't get a say in the matter.

Of course she doesn't. My property doesn't get a say in what I do.

AVGWarhawk · 02-06-13, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Of course she doesn't. My property doesn't get a say in what I do.

Good luck with that.....

Takeda Shingen · 02-06-13, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Of course she doesn't. My property doesn't get a say in what I do.

Now you're thinking like a citizen, Citizen.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	To illustrate what insane absurdity the hystery about gay rights has reached, just a small detail from Germany: this christmas season, in Cologne they have had the first "gay christmas market". What the holy punky freakiness should that be - a gay christmas market? And what has the one to do with the other, Christmas with gay policy? Reinventing the christmas story? Mary'S immaculate conception because Joseph was gay and got no erection when laying down with a woman? Baby Jesus - a gay? Gay Santa Claus? Or Herodes' pogrom against the Jews - a gay-hating mass murder trying to kill gay babies? We have voices in Germany that seriously want children and teens being encouraged by school to make lesbian and gay experiences - not encouraging them would violate the public schools' order to give unbiased and undiscriminating education to young people on everything. Some - I say again: not all, but some - go even one step further. Some want quotas - quotas! - of gay and lesbian people in the population being met. So and so many people have to be gay, such and such a huge proportion of the population should be educated to become lesbian. That would foster equal rights, and battle against discriminating of gays, so the argument. Girls and boys, so the false and unproven claim, have no sexual identities anyway, but are sexual neuters, and can be formed according to statistic needs. Well, medicine and psychology know that better, and since long time now. HOW MUCH MORE INSANE COULD IT BECOME, HOW MUCH MORE SICK, ROTTEN, DUMB, RETARDED, INHUMANE - STUPID...??? Homosexuality is debated and discussed since many years day in, day out, and nobody - except bad bad boys like me - dare to express an opinion of anger and disgust over this omnipresence of the theme in public discussion. Still - they claim that there is too little debate about it. Reminds of the noise that Islam is making : also being talked about day in and day out - and still claiming to be ignored and marginalised. Heck, the one as well as the other is OMNIPRESENT! It's political correctness hysteria. Plain and simple this: hysteria. Dear Western people, you are too well off, and you spend your time with caring for luxury problems and blowing up mosquitos to the size of elephants. And the whole project is massively ideology-driven: left-leaning ideology, to be clear on that. Devaluing and ridiculing families, so that women go into factories and cheap wages jobs to produce tax income for the state (German SPD's Andrea Nahles have even said that in relatively clear words just short time ago - again), and the children at the age of less than one year kept in kindergardens, obligatory, so that they can get drilled and brainwashed with politically wanted socialist collectivistic spirit from early childhood on. Destruction of the male and female characteristics by gender-engineering and denying any differences (ignoring loads and loads of hard, solid scientific evidence proving how wrong and unproven genderistic claims are and how much damage they do in children), all people not being equal by biology - but that being ignored and these tabula rasa-people treated as if they were a tabula rasa indeed, and being made equal by force - by socialist ideology, pressed into equality in a uniform meaning of the term. And, no wonder, the EU is forerunning in this, too, not just the 1968-German rev olluers and the dilletantic reform pedagocis and the lefties and the feminists. Its a huge and powerful and unscrupulous alliance that has formed up there, and it wants the ultimate power and it does not take No as an answer. Equality of men and women, equal rights - and making people equal in a collectivistic, totalitarian understanding of uniformity - that are two very different things. The latter is also about total exchangeability of everybody, and denial of individuality, even a biological predetermine sexual identity. You do not believe that? Do some reading on the role of women in the society of the USSR, especially the early one, and the Third Reich. It should spring into your eyes. The destruction of the respectability of family and "mother" is precondition for all that, becasue an intact family and totalitarian claims for a superstate'S collective control do not go well together. That is the reason why mothers's role is being ridiculed these days, and why it is described as something of less or no value compared to work in a job, as if their work to form a family a home and to give children a place to return to after school, a safe haven for a good childhood, is only good enough to be laughed about and ridiculed, and any political attempt to encourage such mothers' self-chosen role and aid it financially is met with vitriolic cynism and mocking laughter, and hurting offences. The biggest hate feminists express for women that refuse to submit to the role design feminists have for "real women". And that is the reason why the same social circles and politicians are supporting the equality of "gay marriage" - it damages the respectability and specially protected status of families by marginalising and deleting the constitutional protection and support for families. Socialists do not want mothers and fathers caring for children. The party should care for the drill of children. To ensure they become good Junge Pioniere, fundaments of the party's and the ideology's future power. We have been there. We have seen it all. It was not good, never. And it always led to breakdown of whole societies, often at the cost of massive bloodshed and/or destruction of the world around. The rights of gays, ignored or campaigned for - they are just a strawman's argument, sometimes making them serve as scapegoats, sometimes turning them into propaganda strawmen. But it is about much more and different than gay rights. In reality it is about the establishing of the totalitarian socialist superstate. I admit one needs to look beyond the surface of the gay debate to see this, and needs to link many other things together - radical feminism, mobbing of male values, gender-enmgineering, state-control over already the youngest children. When one is looking at how the european states and parties shift more and more to the left and how the EU interferes more and more with peopleS' lives, and how we all get more and more overregulated by a bureaucratic regime rooted in Brussel, the conclusion is quite self-recommending. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 02-06-13 at 04:02 PM.