Stephen King on US gun contols.

[Armistead]

The gun debate is mostly a political joke to simply outlaw guns, kill the gun party, mostly the GOP. The liberal media harps that there is mass gun smuggling from the US to Mexico, it's mostly garbage. The majority of fully automatic assault weapons in the US come from Mexico and our inner cities are full of them. Most of these weapons are used in gang violence, but thousands die every year, but you here no talk of it because we would have to shut our border down with the military. The Dems will go nuts when a white kid shoots up a white school with a legal semi automatic weapon, but you never hear anything about inner city violence with real assault weapons. Like I said, what would Dems be debating if a person walked into a school with an illegal Uzi smuggled from Mexico? Would they simply call it an illegal act with an illegal gun?

[Armistead]

911 call.....Lady with no gun.



911 call....Lady with gun.




Which would you prefer to be.......Case closed.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Armistead

911 call.....Lady with no gun.



911 call....Lady with gun.




Which would you prefer to be.......Case closed.

At the same time, there is the story of Keith Ratliff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/us...eath.html?_r=0

If somebody wants to get you they're going to get you, guns or not.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If somebody wants to get you they're going to get you, guns or not.

That's true. There is no guarantee against a dedicated assassin, and there's no guarantee against bad luck. On the other hand when someone is trying to cause you harm it's better to have a serious weapon at hand than not.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If somebody wants to get you they're going to get you, guns or not.

As the weapons issues raise notice? Sooner or later We'll see a far more frightening change on how this happens.

In my home, I have 90% of a remote bomb.
I'd say all you here do also.
The 10% missing is the explosive material.

Through training and books I could produce the other 10%.
I am not the only one who can do that.

I fear the bombers much more then a loon with a fire arm!

[August]

Well yeah they might get you and they might not but no sense making it easier for them by refusing to arm oneself.

This is the key part of the article though:

"For him not to pull out that gun and try to defend himself, he had to feel comfortable around somebody. Either that or he was ambushed".

Inside job or professional hit. But NOT some drugged up punk or wild eyed nutcase.

[Takeda Shingen]

There is never a time when I am unarmed.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by August

Well yeah they might get you and they might not but no sense making it easier for them by refusing to arm oneself.

That.
and as privateer says, Guns are not the only weapon there is.
It starts with the Mind, goes over the Body, basic tools and weapon hacks. The gun is a sophisticated weapon already...

Being armed - having a set of tools and the abiilty to defend yourself is needed IMO.

HOW? That is up to the individual to decide, wether or not he choses to repsect the law and follow the game rules...

[August]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

HOW? That is up to the individual to decide, wether or not he choses to repsect the law and follow the game rules...

Exactly and there's a saying over here that I think applies quite well to that:

"I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six"

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

There is never a time when I am unarmed.

I walk with no weapons that can be touched.
Trained by the U.S. Government.
I am a weapon.
There are millions of us.
We are called Veterans.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by privateer

I walk with no weapons that can be touched.
Trained by the U.S. Government.
I am a weapon.
There are millions of us.
We are called Veterans.

Not to impugn your unarmed abilities, but I have had full-contact sessions against a number of vets, and I had left unimpressed. While those techniques may be effective in the chaos of the battlefield, my experience there is no substitute for concentrated and formalized martial arts training, at least in isolated combat. The times when I've been rocked, and I mean really rocked, it's been by specialists.

My statement was not to imply any unarmed vet was a master at unarmed combat.
The truth is that 99% are not even kind of good at it.
In a mass fight?
The vets are the weapon.

The 1% I left out?
They scare the hell out of me in what they can do should they put thier minds to it.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by August

Exactly and there's a saying over here that I think applies quite well to that:

"I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six"

If you are unlucky, you get the 12 judges AND the electric chair... then carried by one, as your ashes are dumped somewhere.

Difficult world...

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

At the same time, there is the story of Keith Ratliff.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/us...eath.html?_r=0

If somebody wants to get you they're going to get you, guns or not.

I know the story well, most likely it was someone he wasn't afraid of, those events happen, nothing we can do about it. However, if I fear of attack, home invasion, harm coming to me or my family......I want a gun and I want the right to have what's needed to protect myself and family.
Police depts across this nation demanded assault type weapons because they were being outgunned by criminals, I should have that same right. I do live out in the woods, you come in my house uninvited you won't be facing a pistol, if I lived in town in an apt, be different.

[HundertzehnGustav]

hold on, does that mean if you are out there, you do not point a thing at me if i break your lock?
but in the city, i shall stare at a barrel?

Or does that mean that in your cabin you are not pointing one barrel at me but six a la Gatling Gun?