Open carry in Oklahoma

[Sailor Steve]

Actually I was thinking I might send them to her.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Exactly, and there has never been any serious attempt to do anything even remotely like it which is why the original line was parrot fodder.

DC doesn't count? Members of legislatures have proposed bans. Just because it was rejected doesn't mean the threat isn't real.

Nice link, I would normally reject out of hand anything citing Kleck as he is a bigger idiot than the brady bunch are,

Are you saying the quotes from that site are all lies?

Yet even that quote doesn't back up the claim does it.

That one of the founders of HC/Brady said the ultimate goal was exactly that? I've seen Brady people talk, and I am firmly convinced that what they claim on their site is a flat-out lie.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Meh. As far as theories go, I prefer this...

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The last time I went hunting I was still using my good old .30-06.

Yeah the .30-06 is still a very popular round it is still a good round too.Some guys like those .300 mags and .308s but you still see many sticking with the .30-06 because it works another old but still very good round is the Russian 7.62x54R one of my personal favorites it has good power but it does not rip your arm off.Some guys claim that the .300s are much better at longer range.A friend of mine got an elk with a .30-06(Blaser Jaeger) on a trip a few years back from 820 yards by his sons spotting estimate he showed me the scope photos it looked to be at least 800yds based on his scope dopeage.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That one of the founders of HC/Brady said the ultimate goal was exactly that? I've seen Brady people talk, and I am firmly convinced that what they claim on their site is a flat-out lie.

I've talked to some of them as well and I have to agree. Total civilian disarmament is their not so secret agenda.

DC doesn't count?

It would count if it had banned all guns or even attempted to, but it hasn't so it doesn't.

Members of legislatures have proposed bans.

Name one.

Just because it was rejected doesn't mean the threat isn't real.

You have to cite the attempt first and make sure it has all the specifics that would ban all guns.

Are you saying the quotes from that site are all lies?

No, I am saying Kleck is a frequently used source but has been known to simply invent crazy "facts", I am also saying that nothing there backs up the claim.

That one of the founders of HC/Brady said the ultimate goal was exactly that?

Look at the quote you posted, it doesn't even say anything like it.
Now if that quote said all guns then you might have a point, if it said all guns without exceptions then you definately would have a point, but it certainly doesn't say that, so all you are left with in that link is that single quote from a nobody in Florida.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I suppose a good story in relation to open carry wouldbe that fat soccer mom who became a star feature of gun nut weekly over her insistance that she had to be openly armed at all times, even at her kids soccer matches.
She ended up getting her head blown off while sitting at the computer in her own home.
It pays to be prepared at all times.

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ She should have been carrying a pistol at least, at home in front of her computer, and look around her every 5 seconds.

I might be wrong, but I recall she was shot by her husband with that very
same pistol she was carrying to all those soccer games, before he killed himself.

As for the topic, someone already said how I think about it earlier: carry a gun
in open isnt a deterrant to those who REALLY want that free gun. They'll just use
more force to get it.

[August]

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by August

[PICTURE]

That's how it goes in the perfect world.

Say, someone wants to threathen someone with a knife, he probably closes
to 1.5-2m before showin his intentions. Try to pull a gun out from your holster/pocket
and you MIGHT get a shot out, but evenso, that knife will very likely be stuck
in some part of your body, in worst case, lethally.

Many in this thread seem to think that criminals are stupid, dont know why.
But if someone wants to rob you and they see the gun, they wont't be
coming at you from the front. Baseball bat/other hard object, or in worst case
a bullet to the back of the head is what they do.

EDIT: Of course, I dont live in the US, but to me this just means more guns for the bad guys who really need them (gangs and such).

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Many in this thread seem to think that criminals are stupid, dont know why.

That's because the kind of criminals we're talking about are stupid, or they wouldn't have to be out robbing people who might shoot them.

But if someone wants to rob you and they see the gun, they wont't be
coming at you from the front. Baseball bat/other hard object, or in worst case
a bullet to the back of the head is what they do.

I'd say that depends on the situation. Doing those things in a location like that in the picture I posted above would only provide plenty of witnesses at their murder trial.

But this is Oklahoma we're talking about. The Lone Prairie.
pretty difficult to sneak up on someone out there...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

It would count if it had banned all guns or even attempted to, but it hasn't so it doesn't.

Sec. 201. Registration Required, (a) Except as otherwise provided
in this act, no ])erson or organization shall within the District receive,
possess, have under his control, transfer, offer for sale, sell, give, or
deliver any destructive device, and no person or organization shall,
within the District possess or have under his or its control any firearm,
unless such person or oi^anization is the holder of a valid registration
certificate for such fireaim. In the case of an organization, a registra-
tration certificate shall be issued (1) only to an organization which
has in its employ one or more commissioned special police officers or
other employees licensed to carry firearms, and which arms sucli
employees witli firearms during such employees duty hours and (2)
only to such organization in its own name and in the name of its
president or the chief executive.

Name one.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...AID=11&Session=

Look at the quote you posted, it doesn't even say anything like it.
Now if that quote said all guns then you might have a point, if it said all guns without exceptions then you definately would have a point, but it certainly doesn't say that, so all you are left with in that link is that single quote from a nobody in Florida.

This quote?

We'll take one step at a time, and the first is necessarily - given the political realities - very modest. We'll have to start working again to strengthen the law, and then again to strengthen the next law and again and again. Our ultimate goal, total control of handguns, is going to take time. The first problem is to slow down production and sales. Next is to get registration. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and ammunition (with a few exceptions) totally illegal.
-Nelson Shields, Handgun Control (later Brady Campaign) Founder

I would say that the founder of HCI was hardly a nobody. His statement reflects accurately what I've heard from other HCI/Brady members.

[Onkel Neal]

Oh wow, you know what? I realized I forgot, the motorcycle shop where I work part time, it was robbed about 4 months ago. Yeah, a guy was waiting by the back door and when the store closed, one of the two employees opened the back door to take out the trash, and the robber shoved a gun in his face and marched him to the back. There, the robber had the keyholder open the safe and then made both guys lay on the floor. He took the cash, and then ordered them into the front, where he took two $800 helmets and a few other items.

Yes, how odd that this did not occur to me when I made this post and stated how I have not seen any crime or knew of anyone who had directly been involved in this kind of thing. We watched it the next day on the video playback, every bit of it.

I know it sounds pretty cavalier, but it really did not alarm me. I work there frequently and I don't worry about it (shrug).

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Oh wow, you know what? I realized I forgot, the motorcycle shop where I work part time, it was robbed about 4 months ago. Yeah, a guy was waiting by the back door and when the store closed, one of the two employees opened the back door to take out the trash, and the robber shoved a gun in his face and marched him to the back. There, the robber had the keyholder open the safe and then made both guys lay on the floor. He took the cash, and then ordered them into the front, where he took two $800 helmets and a few other items.

Yes, how odd that this did not occur to me when I made this post and stated how I have not seen any crime or knew of anyone who had directly been involved in this kind of thing. We watched it the next day on the video playback, every bit of it.

I know it sounds pretty cavalier, but it really did not alarm me. I work there frequently and I don't worry about it (shrug).

When I was teenager I worked for this locally owned pharmacy and the two Pharmacists that owned it they where pretty big into guns they each always had a handgun concealed and they had designed the layout of the store very well no cash registers where in the front everything was in the back and the work area was a few feet above floor level and looked down over the entire store and the cash registers the upper counters and work area had a U shape the U facing the front of the store.Hidden under the counters of the work area where two 12 gauge pump action shotguns they where both Ithacas and the store policy was that someone always was to stand up there in the work area so they could quickly grab one of those Ithacas. I don't know why because the heat packed inside that store was not known to many people my friends father was one of the owners and I did know until I started working there about the guns but no one ever tried to rob that pharmacy or even to shoplift from it so maybe they just sensed it was not a place to mess with.

It could be worse my uncle who used to live in Detroit from the late 60's to early 80's he parked his car once and had some guy run up and stick a gun in his back the guy took his wallet and his car and for what ever reason made my uncle strip down to his underwear and took his clothes and drove off.Needless to say my uncle was very angry him being a fairly large and tough person but at least the guy did not shoot him.

Sec. 201.

Registration Required, (a) Except as otherwise provided
in this act
what does except mean? what does registration mean?

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/full...AID=11&Session=

what does permit and licence mean?

This quote?

No. I mean the quote from a health official in florida, he is the only one quoted calling for a ban on all guns.

His statement reflects accurately what I've heard from other HCI/Brady members.

Yet he says nothing about all guns does he, and even says about exceptions on those specific firearms he does talk about.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Registration Required, (a) Except as otherwise provided
in this act
what does except mean? what does registration mean?

That you get to own a gun if I say so.

what does permit and licence mean?

That you get to own a gun if I say so.

Yet he says nothing about all guns does he, and even says about exceptions on those specific firearms he does talk about.

He did specifically say "all handguns". They make exceptions for approved hunting rifles. The handgun exceptions are usually pointed out to be for licensed and approved bodyguards and private detectives.

As I say, I've talked to some of these people, and what they say they want in public and what they say they want in private are not always the same.