Hillary Clinton takes responsibility for Libya US deaths

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?

This last dance for Hillary is the end of the line. I do not blame her. IMO, she was wronged by her party en lieu of current commander and chief. Personally, I think she looks completely wiped out. If BO does get a second term I suspect Hillary will step down. If MR wins Hillary will be replaced anyway. It is a shame what happened in Libya.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by August

So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?

And Reagen should have resigned after getting 200 Marines killed in Beirut!
Reagen should have reisgned after the Iran-Contra affair became public. After all, he was in charge!!!

But August, using your words from another thread, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Especially when Republicans are at fault!

[August]

Originally Posted by eddie

And Reagen should have resigned after getting 200 Marines killed in Beirut!
Reagen should have reisgned after the Iran-Contra affair became public. After all, he was in charge!!!

But August, using your words from another thread, that's like comparing apples to oranges. Especially when Republicans are at fault!

Hey maybe they should have resigned, but just because one person gets away with murder does not mean that you give a pass to the next murderer and the one after that does it?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

So she's responsible for the deaths of 4 of our people. When can we expect her resignation?

Don't you mean prep for 2016 presidential run? That is some pretty sweet resume candy though.


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From CNN:

Clinton said her mission now is to make sure such an attack will never happen again, and also to ensure the work of American diplomats won't be stopped even in dangerous areas like Benghazi.

I think we just found a new roll for the TSA.

[AVGWarhawk]

She is not running. This office she holds will be her final.

[August]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Don't you mean prep for 2016 presidential run?

Funny but I think AVG is right. She's done after this. She'd be 68 by the next election which is pretty old for a trials of a presidential run. Besides she has a whole bunch of skeletons in her closet that would have a major impact on her chances of winning.

[CaptainHaplo]

What suprises me is that many Democrats who support Hillary more than they do Obama don't understand what she just did. She committed political suicide. IF she were to run in 2016, this will fly in her face - she couldn't run a 275 outpost, 60,000+ department of government without failing to keep 4 people safe - her words would doom any chance she would have.

Obama threw her under the bus. Just like he has done so many others. The buck stops with "you", or maybe "you" - or that cat over there - but never with him. So many who support Hillary are just standing there - watching her "bleed out" for the party - and for a guy who not only defeated her in a bitter primary - but who no doubt is the cause of this politically suicidal statement.

How is that hope and change working out for you now? It sure isn't working out for Hillary.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Funny but I think AVG is right. She's done after this. She'd be 68 by the next election which is pretty old for a trials of a presidential run. Besides she has a whole bunch of skeletons in her closet that would have a major impact on her chances of winning.

Her entire party abandoned her for a community organizer/Jr Senator. She had every right to win the nomination. Obama was being groomed long before the run was started. Hillary got in the way. For me, it looks like the do-gooders were looking to get into the history books. Much like Pelosi does every time legislation is signed. "We have made history." Oh brother....

[Oberon]

When you play the political game you've got to realise that loyalty does not exist, there is only one goal, power, and if you outlive your usefulness, or if you are more useful as a disposable pawn...then adieos amigo.
Hilary was probably given a choice, either jump under the bus and retain her dignity or be pushed and disappear down the plughole.

That's politics...it's dirty.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

She committed political suicide.

Hardly. She's not continuing on as SecState and has publicly said so for a while now. This is too far away to be a problem for a possible 2016 run, I doubt this will be a factor if she does run.

IF she were to run in 2016, this will fly in her face - she couldn't run a 275 outpost, 60,000+ department of government without failing to keep 4 people safe - her words would doom any chance she would have.

I think you're reading far too much into this. She is the Secretary of State, the State Department and it's staff are her responsibility. They are also the President's responsibility, given that he's responsible for the entire government. What this statement is about is trying to bring the government publicly together after a nasty and messy spat between the West Wing and the Sate Department. Nothing more.

Obama threw her under the bus.

Again, I think you're very much overstating the Awesome Hugeness of this statement.

Originally Posted by AVG

Her entire party abandoned her for a community organizer/Jr Senator. She had every right to win the nomination. Obama was being groomed long before the run was started. Hillary got in the way.

That's quite a dramatic retelling of political history . The entire Democratic Party didn't abandon anyone, do you not remember the long drawn-out nomination fight? The one that went on forever? Doesn't look like a pre-planned installation of Obama to me.

I think Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, John McCain, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Dennis Kucinich, Joe Biden, Mike Gravel, Sam Brownback and God-save-us-all...Michele Bachmann would all tell you that nobody has a right to win a nomination. Primaries are weird, weird things.


@ Oberon - there's not anything that she could have been threatened with. SHe's leaving the job anyway in a few months.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

What suprises me is that many Democrats who support Hillary more than they do Obama don't understand what she just did. She committed political suicide. IF she were to run in 2016, this will fly in her face - she couldn't run a 275 outpost, 60,000+ department of government without failing to keep 4 people safe - her words would doom any chance she would have.

Obama threw her under the bus. Just like he has done so many others. The buck stops with "you", or maybe "you" - or that cat over there - but never with him. So many who support Hillary are just standing there - watching her "bleed out" for the party - and for a guy who not only defeated her in a bitter primary - but who no doubt is the cause of this politically suicidal statement.

How is that hope and change working out for you now? It sure isn't working out for Hillary.

@AVG, August, CH

(I'm not serious with this)
I'll play devil's advocate, why this little incident won't effect her.

She's hooked on the power.
US public has a short memory for democrat scandals.
You'll be labeled a sexist if you bring it up.

Why she won't run in 2016:
She's politically destroyed now, the way is cleared for the bamster's third term. (Remember his strategy, keep your friends close and your enemies closer)

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Hilary was probably given a choice, either jump under the bus and retain her dignity or be pushed and disappear down the plughole.

I don't think that's the case Ob. Either way she is done and she had to know that before she fell on her sword.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

I don't think that's the case Ob. Either way she is done and she had to know that before she fell on her sword.

See, it's proof. Obama 2016.

[Platapus]

I am really getting tired of these government officials, and corporate managers standing in front of the press proclaiming that they "accept full responsibility".

Accepting responsibility means accepting the consequences. That means resigning or accepting some legal or other consequence.

Unfortunately, "accepting full responsibility" has become an empty phrase. What "accepting full responsibility" really means is "stop talking about it".

I would really like the media to start pinning down these politicians (both parties) when they say this.

Just ask them, on camera, "Please tell us what 'accepting full responsibility' means to you? What exactly are you going to do?" And them watch them squirm like the worms they are.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I am really getting tired of these government officials, and corporate managers standing in front of the press proclaiming that they "accept full responsibility".

Accepting responsibility means accepting the consequences. That means resigning or accepting some legal or other consequence.

Unfortunately, "accepting full responsibility" has become an empty phrase. What "accepting full responsibility" really means is "stop talking about it".

I would really like the media to start pinning down these politicians (both parties) when they say this.

Just ask them, on camera, "Please tell us what 'accepting full responsibility' means to you? What exactly are you going to do?" And them watch them squirm like the worms they are.

Well said.