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[Alex]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

then again neo nazis ain't exactly known for their cerebal functions are they

That is absolutely right.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Why? people need to go no further than ford to see you for what you are.
Anyone with a functioning brain can easily identify your views as nothing but pure unadulterated hatred of jews and nothing else.
You seem to be labouring under the delusion that you have some special wisdom because you read something, other people read that crap too and know its crap, you just didn't understand what it was you read.
Just as a demonstration of crap you swallowed and so people don't have to put up with pitying looks of despair finding it at the library or bookstore here is the text you think is the glorious truth.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_In...remost_Problem
Would you like his source material from the laughable protocols too so people can see the extent of the bile you swallowed?

Pure unadulterated hatred of Jews, you say ?
Hahaha.
Let's consider that your point of view on myself as well as on my way of thinking is fair.
Never did I admit that every information featured in this book had to be taken as pure truth never to appear distorted by the author's own opinion on the matter. The only intention I had when mentioning Ford in this thread was to demonstrate that you could have a critical mind on certain things, without necessarily having the corrupted way of thinking of a german guy during WW2, nor without being the kind of anti-somewhat or neo-something guy you want me to look like.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I don't consider you as anything but a sad deluded unthinking neo nazi.

Hehe.
Well, feel free to consider myself that way.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So what? I have stood up for him on numerous occasions on this forum over specific things, but he is still a dumb fool of a bigoted excuse of a politician representing a depraved and corrupt regime and I havn't stood up for him simply because I hate jews and Americans like you do.

Well, that's indeed your turn to shoot blind there.
Feel free to quote any part of my posts clearly showing anger towards any community without giving any explanation on what I think about it all. I've got to stand up for Muslims, Catholics, everyday Jews, and in real life I also stand up for the life of absolutely everyone on Earth. In fact ? Everyone's got to admit that I've been mentioning I'm an anti-zionist, and that I certainly have never considered it a reasonable way of thinking to show any bad feeling towards anyone without any justification.

And I'm still wondering where I may have been mentioning that I am anti-American in absolute terms according to you. The only thing I've got to say is that sometimes I show scorn and anger towards a little (very hopefully !) part of the American People who's got an imperialist way of thinking never to appear as a justified one in any way.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Lots of people are familiar with it, which is why your views can be instantly dismissed as the vile rubbish they are.
Its so funny, after you last topic ranting about jews I didn't expect you to be silly enough to come back and try selling the "international jew" as a source of learning,

Ford's point of view on this matter certainly is his own : and such as everyone else's point of view, it must be interpreted with some caution.

And yes, this kind of books definitely makes you able to get some people's own opinion-overview on certain things - yet you've got to be smart enough to consider everyone's point of view in hindsight, which is what I've always been doing myself.

[MH]

And yes, this kind of books definitely makes you able to get some people's own opinion-overview on certain things - yet you've got to be smart enough to consider everyone's point of view in hindsight, which is what I've always been doing myself.

The question is if you are smart enough....there is this Zionist saying "some people are better of ignorant"...not really Zionist
The issue is not what you read but what your mind can deal with.

Just maybe...you educated your self above your own intelligence....its very common in age of internet.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by MH

The issue is not what you read but what your mind can deal with.

True.

Originally Posted by MH

Just maybe...you educated your self above your own intelligence....its very common in age of internet.

Yet I will never consider myself as someone educated, I do consider myself as someone a bit less stupid than the average guy.
And I certainly will never admit I can change my way of thinking on certain matters - I would be no more than a liar if I would. There is probably a little part of good causes for which anyone's got to feel he needs to struggle, and he would never be able to drop them, due to the fact he's got to consider them as perhaps the only real fights.

Pure unadulterated hatred of Jews, you say ?
Hahaha.
Let's consider that your point of view on myself as well as on my way of thinking is fair.
Never did I admit that every information featured in this book had to be taken as pure truth never to appear distorted by the author's own opinion on the matter. The only intention I had when mentioning Ford in this thread was to demonstrate that you could have a critical mind on certain things, without necessarily having the corrupted way of thinking of a german guy during WW2, nor without being the kind of anti-somewhat or neo-something guy you want me to look like.

Your own posts show you to be a liar.

well done

[MH]

[QUOTEYet I will never consider myself as someone educated, I do consider myself as someone a bit less stupid than the average guy.][/QUOTE]

You not the first and not the last yet this attitude is very prone for manipulation.
Not having "mainstream" opinion not necessary makes you smarter...
So what is really your fight?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by MH

You not the first and not the last yet this attitude is very prone for manipulation.
Not having "mainstream" opinion not necessary makes you smarter...
So what is really your fight?

As he said to me back in post No. 58, it's not against the Jews. It's against the global Jewish conspiracy. He somehow feels that his belief in such an entity does not render him as anti-semetic, and that there is some sort of distinction to be made. I disagree.

To be honest, I don't think he's all that proud of his views. If he were, he wouldn't refuse to answer and force us to play this silly little game to drag it out of him.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by MH

Not having "mainstream" opinion not necessary makes you smarter...

Bartender, can I have that written in golden letters, preferably flaming, and framed, please?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Bartender, can I have that written in golden letters, preferably flaming, and framed, please?

CapsLock will do?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Alex, unlike Tribesman I'm not going to dismiss you off the bat, because I believe that, like Skybird, you have an educated mind behind you, and certainly I will not deny that there are elements of Zionism in this world, were there not then the word would not have come into creation.

That is very kind of you, Ob'.
But let me tell you I am perfectly happy to have Tribesman and others against me : it would definitely not be a fair game to talk for the sake of talking, without getting people opposing my stance on this point.

Originally Posted by Oberon

Where you and I differ is on the relevence we place upon it. You put the same sort of relevence on Zionism and its evils as some people put upon Islam and its accused evils.
I have absolutely no doubt that there are anti-zionist Jews, and many of them live in America and many of them live in Israel, I have seen pictures of protests by Jewish communities in Washington shortly after Israel boarded that ship headed for Palestinian territory. Good for them, I say.
You are also correct in doubting your sources, a good healthy inquisitive mind, and you are open to the possibility that you may be incorrect, just as I am.

Yet it's definitely not the kind of thing I'm looking for when I'm on the internet, just let me thank you once again for your compliments, Ob'.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I dare say that we will not find all the answers to the questions we ask in our lifetime, and if there is such a thing as a large zionist conspiracy in the western governments, there is very little chance that we will find out about it.

You're absolutely right. That is your opinion on this matter, and you're perfectly entitled to stand up for it. Others got a different one, so let's just keep our eyes and ears open.
This is indeed the only thing we can do.

As for what Zionism is...well, I generally start my searches with wikipedia...it may not be the most accurate of answers, but it generally gives a good idea of what direction to head in.
Wikipedia defines Zionism as:



Other sites describe it as:


Or:

Propaganda from all sides gets to appear online. And yet everyone should remember this fact, you may happen to find related to the site you mentioned. So, since you're a reasonable guy, I'm sure you'll admit that absolutely everything you can find online has to be taken with a pinch of salt, including on that very-site.
Yet you've got to consider once again the fact that it may be no more than propaganda.

Originally Posted by Oberon

However, a common trend between all three definitions is that Zionism is a form of belief that Israel is a land for the Jews.
If you were to exchange Israel for Germany and Jews for Germans, you'd get a similar style of belief to fascist Germany or even that of the English Defence League "England for the English" as I have oft heard...of course they struggle to define just what 'English' is, but I digress.
The theory that one portion of people are superior to another by the location of their birthplace is not a new one, nor are historical claims to land territory. They are excuses used by dozens of nations throughout history, call it lebensraum, call it manifest destiny, or just good old fashioned imperialism. At the end of the day it boils down to one nation asserting itself over others.
That's fair enough, and I agree that more needs to be done to address the Palestinian question, just as many believed before 1948 that more needed to be done to address the Jewish question. Unfortunately in this state of fear that we live in, this is not likely to take place.

Personally ?
I hold every state in the world in respect, including the one we're talking about - yet I never do it too much especially when it comes to my very own nation.
And I hold every country in such a respect myself that I will not allow myself to make any comparisons between the History of countries. I mean, everywhere in the world everyone's point of view is different, and of course everyone's got the right to stand up for his own life and existence. I just stand here with no more than doubts myself. I'm part of those who feel the wish to understand how things get to happen, and why, period.

Originally Posted by Oberon

So, where does that leave us? Well, Alex, again I find myself unable to corrolate your supportive viewpoints of nationalism in the form of the works of Henry Ford and Mauras and your opposing viewpoint of Jewish nationalism in the form of zionism. However, despite this inability to correlate I conclude that you have a strong belief, just as some here have about Iran, Muslims and President Obama, and I respect your right to have that belief, and I also respect your acknowledgement of the potential for your belief to be incorrect, and like myself and Skybird in regards to Muslims I think we will have to agree to disagree for the time being.

Fair enough !

Originally Posted by Oberon

The only thing that I would say, in parting, is that as you do your reading from the library or from the internet, keep...as I am sure you do...an open mind, try to see things from both perspectives, and try not to get drawn into taking sides, because both sides may be right, or both sides may be wrong.

Thank you very much for your advices, Ob'. Yet you don't agree with every person you happen to speak to, you still hold everyone in respect, and that is definitely a display of wisdom from yourself.

wow arutz sheva
wiki is run by the jews, its the illuminati, the rothschilds and the bilderbergs secret jewish freemasons.
Its so funny watching you try and squirm away from your views yet attempt to reinforce them at every turn .
You have even managed yet again to show what sort of fool you are in your sig
well done alex

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

You have even managed yet again to show what sort of fool you are in your sig
well done alex

What do you mean, man ?
Do you mean you can find some people in the world of whom no one's supposed to make some fun ?
Now THAT would indeed be racism ! You're a racist Tribesman !

What do you mean, man ?

I mean what I have said.

Do you mean you can find some people in the world of whom no one's supposed to make some fun ?

No, I mean what I have said. I know nazis are dumb but it is pretty simple so even you should be able to grasp the basics.

Now THAT would indeed be racism ! You're a racist Tribesman !

epic fail with the bonus of a CAPSLOCK

[MH]

Propaganda from all sides gets to appear online. And yet everyone should remember this fact, you may happen to find related to the site you mentioned. So, since you're a reasonable guy, I'm sure you'll admit that absolutely everything you can find online has to be taken with a pinch of salt, including on that very-site.
Yet you've got to consider once again the fact that it may be no more than propaganda.

Please teach us what Zionism is about.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

wow arutz sheva
wiki is run by the jews, its the illuminati, the rothschilds and the bilderbergs secret jewish freemasons.
Its so funny watching you try and squirm away from your views yet attempt to reinforce them at every turn .
You have even managed yet again to show what sort of fool you are in your sig
well done alex

Hey bro, you know where I can hand it my resume?

Also, who do I need to bribe or perform sexual favors for to get in?

Hey bro, you know where I can hand it my resume?

hand it in anywhere , Alex believes its a global jewish conspiracy running everything so clearly any organisation would be the correct one to hand a resume to.

Also, who do I need to bribe or perform sexual favors for to get in?

We can't tell you that till you join, you have to be a paid zionist first like I am apparently.
Then again since its everywhere maybe you are already a member