So how do your kids school Celebrates the Russian revolution - Page 2

Stealhead · 09-25-12, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

We can all watch Dr. Zhivago to celebrate.

August · 09-25-12, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If I were to equate the Bolshevik Revolution to any other, it would be the French Revolution in terms of the level of violence against civilians.

Agree but even then it pales by comparison.

Oberon · 09-25-12, 09:04 PM

Nearly all revolutions are born of blood. Although the actual storming of the Winter Palace, and the events on October 17th were relatively bloodless. It was the events after the revolution as the new communist leadership settled into power that were the bloodiest, and then you have the Russian civil war.

Comparing it to the American revolution in terms of bloodshed, well, there is no comparison. Although the American civil war was bloody, it was not on the level of the Russian one, not at all, both sides lost more men in the Russian civil war than the entire strength of both sides in the American.

The causes behind it though, well...aren't all revolutions born of a desire for freedom? For the Russians it was freedom from the 'tyrrany' of the Tsar, for the Americans it was freedom to rule from the 'tyrrany' of the United Kingdom.
If you tote up the casualties of both nations post revolution, through the American territorial expansion, war of 1812, Mexican wars, Spanish wars, Indian wars, Civil war. Then I'd wager that it would be bloodier than the French, but still not quite as bloody as the Russian revolutions.
Certainly, if you want a bloody revolution, Tribesman knows what he's talking about...during the English Civil War, Ireland lost nearly half its entire population.

yubba · 09-25-12, 09:06 PM

I thought Dr Strangelove would be in order..

soopaman2 · 09-25-12, 09:19 PM

I think the Winter Revolution is depicted the way it is amongst some folks, because of what ended up replacing it, was vastly worse over the next 50 years.

At the time it was a noble movement, the leaders most likely good intentioned.

But look at the Arab Spring, they overthrow one government for another that will tighten the yoke even further. Sorta a modern reference.

Our kids celebrating this?

What was the lesson plan leading to this, where they learning about the Tsar? Or social strife caused by government apathy?

Oh I know!

They were indoctrinating them into good socialist democratic voters!

BINGO!

O'doyle rules!

mookiemookie · 09-25-12, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If I were to equate the Bolshevik Revolution to any other, it would be the French Revolution in terms of the level of violence against civilians.

One could say that the colonization of America was even worse than those actions in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons.

August · 09-25-12, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

One could say that the colonization of America was even worse than those actions in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons.

Anything can be worse if you stretch the timeline out long enough. After all the undisputed King in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons is our species colonization of Earth no?

August · 09-25-12, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

But look at the Arab Spring, they overthrow one government for another that will tighten the yoke even further.

That remains to be seen. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. The new government doesn't have nearly the authority and entrenchment of it's predecessor for one thing and significant opposition remains as that counter demonstration in Libya last week shows.

soopaman2 · 09-25-12, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by August

That remains to be seen. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion. The new government doesn't have nearly the authority and entrenchment of it's predecessor for one thing and significant opposition remains as that counter demonstration in Libya last week shows.

Very good point, that counter demonstration shocked me.

I think I have a natural sense of "be careful what you wish for..." which stems from my innate cynicism.

TLAM Strike · 09-25-12, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

One could say that the colonization of America was even worse than those actions in terms of civilian lives lost due to political reasons.

In fairness most of those were killed by disease, the white folk didn't exactly do much besides cough. If we are to start comparing bloodshed good old Tamerlane one day decided built some minarets out of skulls so he slaughtered 70,000 Persians to get them (you didn't want to be one of Tamerlane's troops and not comeback with a severed head that day!)

That's the kind of bloodshed that even the staunchest Nazi, Communist or Dark Lord of the Sith would consider excessive.

Catfish · 09-26-12, 03:38 AM

It is strange to see this, in patriotic America. But it really should not be celebrated ..

However i have seen no link in months that would not go to Fox news or CNN, directly or indirectly. Is there really no other media left ? Are they all in the hands of this retarded dumb media empire, where every journalist is happy to be "embedded" as a "patriot", and gets direct advice on what and how to publish ?

The press was never free, but that ???
I must say i doubt every 'news' Fox or CNN publishes, and if it is about a dead sparrow.

yubba · 09-26-12, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

It is strange to see this, in patriotic America. But it really should not be celebrated ..

However i have seen no link in months that would not go to Fox news or CNN, directly or indirectly. Is there really no other media left ? Are they all in the hands of this retarded dumb media empire, where every journalist is happy to be "embedded" as a "patriot", and gets direct advice on what and how to publish ?

The press was never free, but that ???
I must say i doubt every 'news' Fox or CNN publishes, and if it is about a dead sparrow.

try Drudge report, or report it yourself, you must have a phone with a camera, you see some thing you post it, that's how they saved that marine that was scooped up by the FBI, for posts on facebook his mother video-ed it and posted it on youtube,, if the media doesn't want report what's going on then it's up to us to get the word out,, Between Vendor and myself you have gotten more news and entertainment, here than you can get anywhere else, well that's my opinion.

But in defense of the educrats, superintendent for the Conewago Valley School District Rebecca Harbaugh says they once put on a show celebrating freedom.

mookiemookie · 09-26-12, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by yubba

if the media doesn't want report what's going on then it's up to us to get the word out

These are the kinds of statements that are just dumb attempts to perpetuate the victim complex. The media isn't reporting it? What do you call Drudge, Fox News, Glenn Beck's website, et al.? That's not the media? Fox fans love to bash the "lamestream media" and then turn around and crow about how Fox is the most watched news channel. You can't have it both ways.

yubba · 09-26-12, 10:28 AM

Auschwitz the musical, I can see it now the dancers on the field go into this prop that looks like a factory and come out the other side in black pjs with a skelton painted on them,, and they dance for joy that have been liberated from this life,,and the music could be Micheal Jacksons thriller to spice it up,, it would be just great, oh my where's my agent..

AVGWarhawk · 09-26-12, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by yubba

Auschwitz the musical, I can see it now the dancers on the field go into this prop that looks like a factory and come out the other side in black pjs with a skelton painted on them,, and they dance for joy that have been liberated from this life,,and the music could be Micheal Jacksons thriller to spice it up,, it would be just great, oh my where's my agent..

This might be entertaining but I think this would go over like a fart in a space suit.

The incident was found to be inappropriate. The marching band should stick to music and the usual band uniform. The theatrics is best left to the theater department.

We carry on...

09-25-12, 09:06 PM	#19
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I thought that was Dr Strangelove I thought Dr Strangelove would be in order..

09-25-12, 09:19 PM	#20
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	I think the Winter Revolution is depicted the way it is amongst some folks, because of what ended up replacing it, was vastly worse over the next 50 years. At the time it was a noble movement, the leaders most likely good intentioned. But look at the Arab Spring, they overthrow one government for another that will tighten the yoke even further. Sorta a modern reference. Our kids celebrating this? What was the lesson plan leading to this, where they learning about the Tsar? Or social strife caused by government apathy? Oh I know! They were indoctrinating them into good socialist democratic voters! BINGO! O'doyle rules! __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world. Last edited by soopaman2; 09-25-12 at 09:42 PM. Reason: I spell like a pre-schooler at times

09-26-12, 10:28 AM	#29
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	Whats next for this guy Auschwitz the musical, I can see it now the dancers on the field go into this prop that looks like a factory and come out the other side in black pjs with a skelton painted on them,, and they dance for joy that have been liberated from this life,,and the music could be Micheal Jacksons thriller to spice it up,, it would be just great, oh my where's my agent..

09-25-12, 09:04 PM	#18
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Nearly all revolutions are born of blood. Although the actual storming of the Winter Palace, and the events on October 17th were relatively bloodless. It was the events after the revolution as the new communist leadership settled into power that were the bloodiest, and then you have the Russian civil war. Comparing it to the American revolution in terms of bloodshed, well, there is no comparison. Although the American civil war was bloody, it was not on the level of the Russian one, not at all, both sides lost more men in the Russian civil war than the entire strength of both sides in the American. The causes behind it though, well...aren't all revolutions born of a desire for freedom? For the Russians it was freedom from the 'tyrrany' of the Tsar, for the Americans it was freedom to rule from the 'tyrrany' of the United Kingdom. If you tote up the casualties of both nations post revolution, through the American territorial expansion, war of 1812, Mexican wars, Spanish wars, Indian wars, Civil war. Then I'd wager that it would be bloodier than the French, but still not quite as bloody as the Russian revolutions. Certainly, if you want a bloody revolution, Tribesman knows what he's talking about...during the English Civil War, Ireland lost nearly half its entire population.

09-26-12, 03:38 AM	#26
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,796 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	It is strange to see this, in patriotic America. But it really should not be celebrated .. However i have seen no link in months that would not go to Fox news or CNN, directly or indirectly. Is there really no other media left ? Are they all in the hands of this retarded dumb media empire, where every journalist is happy to be "embedded" as a "patriot", and gets direct advice on what and how to publish ? The press was never free, but that ??? I must say i doubt every 'news' Fox or CNN publishes, and if it is about a dead sparrow.