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Old 09-11-12, 12:45 PM   #76
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As long as he don't FORCES it upon others.
That's fine, but I don't think that I've ever seen anyone place people in pews by force, nor try to get people fired for not attending Mass.
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It shows Hui Neng after he gained enlighhtenment. The first thing he did was running in to the monastery's library and destroying all written scrpoture he could find there. Because its all just bits of paper, leading you wrong, always, no matter what it says.
So a lone nut had a mental breakdown and took it upon himself to destroy a library in order to prevent anyone else from deciding it's value themselves. Sounds to me like this guy would have been right at home with the Inquisition or the folks who burned the library at Alexandria.

Atheists are every bit as dogmatic and intolerant as any Holy Joe.
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And that is what that painting is about. It shows Hui Neng after he gained enlightenment. The first thing he did was running into the monastery's library and destroying all written scripture he could find there. Because its all just bits of paper, leading you wrong, always, no matter what it says.
Book burning is not really something new.....
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Book burning is not really something new.....
And the terrible irony is that some of the western tradition's greatest preservers of knowledge and literature were these guys:

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Atheists are every bit as dogmatic and intolerant as any Holy Joe.
Yep, there are nutjobs that make us look bad.
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Yep, there are nutjobs that make us look bad.
Yep, on both sides of the theological divide. Problem is the nutjobs are the ones who get in the news and leave the rest of us thinking they're representative of the mainstream instead of exceptions to it.
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And the terrible irony is that some of the western tradition's greatest preservers of knowledge and literature were these guys:

That is ironic!!!
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Yep, on both sides of the theological divide. Problem is the nutjobs are the ones who get in the news and leave the rest of us thinking they're representative of the mainstream instead of exceptions to it.

Never a truer statement. Overgeneralized and broad sweeping statements encompass all as a result of the very few that are vocal. It reminds me of people saying, "You all..."
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You know....
A small lecture about generalizing, coming from some folks who make gross generalizations on political topics, strikes me as a bit... odd.
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You know....
A small lecture about generalizing, coming from some folks who make gross generalizations on political topics, strikes me as a bit... odd.
Are we speaking in general terms?
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And the terrible irony is that some of the western tradition's greatest preservers of knowledge and literature were these guys:

It might also be worth adding these guys:



In fact, much of what we know about ancient Greek philosophy in particular comes from the preservation work of Islamic (and also Jewish) scholars. It wasn't a hot topic in much of medieval Europe.
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In fact, much of what we know about ancient Greek philosophy in particular comes from the preservation work of Islamic (and also Jewish) scholars. It wasn't a hot topic in much of medieval Europe.



(not that this makes a lot of difference in present)
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Yeah, actually it does make a lot of difference. Humanity and it's progress are like a human ladder; you stand on the shoulders of those that came before you. Once does not discount the value of gunpowder just because the modern Chinese 'disappeared' their own president elect. Seriously, what is up with that?
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