Romney picks Ryan as VP

CaptainHaplo · 08-11-12, 01:29 AM

As it says - AP has reported 3 sources all confirming Paul Ryan as the VP pick by Mitt Romney.

A lot of democratic strategists have been saying that a Ryan pick will open up avenues of attack regarding the Ryan Budget.

Don't count on it....

Team Obama making an issue of the Ryan Budget plan runs one huge risk that Ryan himself won't be shy about pointing out....

In 3 and a half years - Team D hasn't passed a single budget. So the comparison goes like this...

Team Obama: What will the Evil Republican Ryan plan due to entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid, Welfare and other "critical" services?

Response: Put the country back on a fiscally sane path. What will the Democrat plan do for the country? Oh wait - they havent - and still don't - have one!

kraznyi_oktjabr · 08-11-12, 02:57 AM

Okay... who controls the House again?

08-11-12, 03:05 AM

How long till the tea party faithful are carrying signs saying hands off my medicare again?
It is only "entitlements" when someone else gets them, everything else is a critical service.

Aramike · 08-11-12, 03:12 AM

If I tried to describe how proud I am of Congressman Ryan, I'd fall short of adjectives. I've voted for this man, talked with this man, have had several photographs taken with this man, and have followed this man's wonderful career from the get-go; and while our 1st district will be sad to lose such a wonderful representative in the House of Representatives, we couldn't be more proud to share him with the rest of our great nation.

I have never been more excited for a presidential ticket. I'll admit that I've even shed tears of joy over this news. Paul Ryan represents a new mode of thinking that we've always been afraid of - change for the sustainability of a nation of independence. Hard change.

We in Wisconsin went through this so-called nightmare. The left screamed that the sky would fall; that if the old ways weren't preserved, we'd spiral into our destruction. It didn't happen, and when they tried to recall our governor, Scott Walker, they were repudiated by the voters.

Why?

Because we are finally ready to embrace smart, bold politicians. While Mitt Romney is certainly smart, he's not very bold. Paul Ryan is the perfect medicine for that.

Now I know that critics will bring up Sarah Palin and how she was the bold choice for McCain, and the ticket failed. While I understand that argument, I see two major flaws: One, Palin isn't nearly as numbers-smart and seasoned as Ryan, and her committment to anything other than publicity is to be questioned as she resigned from her frickin' governorship. Two, the political dynamic was completely different in '08, and I doubt that any Republican could have won.

In any case, I cannot overstate my joy at Paul Ryan being a heartbeat away from the Presidency. On Wisconsin!

Aramike · 08-11-12, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Okay... who controls the House again?

Republicans. The same Republicans who have passed budgets - that don't even make their way to a vote on the Democrat-controlled Senate floor.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 08-11-12, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Republicans. The same Republicans who have passed budgets - that don't even make their way to a vote on the Democrat-controlled Senate floor.

True. However budget must be such that it can pass both House and Senate. Currently you have Senate which refuses to cut discretionary spending and House which refuses to increase revenue. In such situation you can not put blame to one side only.

Btw both actions are needed if you want to dig yourself out from your fiscal hole.

Oberon · 08-11-12, 06:02 AM

Part of me hoped his first name would be Jack...although that would mean that Congress was about to get explosively redecorated.

CaptainHaplo · 08-11-12, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

True. However budget must be such that it can pass both House and Senate. Currently you have Senate which refuses to cut discretionary spending and House which refuses to increase revenue. In such situation you can not put blame to one side only.

Btw both actions are needed if you want to dig yourself out from your fiscal hole.

Two point....

First - it is the job of the Senate BY LAW that they be the ones to put forth a budget. They did not do so. They did not even put one forth that they could pass. Did you see a proposed one from the Senate side? No - and there is a reason for that. The Democrats refused to take up the House budget because they did not want to be on the record refusing to be fiscally responsible.

Secondly - the idea of "raising revenue" - is purely political and would have absolutely no real impact on the fiscal issue we have. If the government took every dime from the "rich" which would permanently remove them as a long term tax revenue source - the entire total taken would not even make up the budget deficit of one year. "Taxing the rich" is a play to the underclass - it has the end effect of a huge negative to economic growth while having a miniscule impact on the fiscal hole. To protect our economy from those who would harm it for political purposes IS part of the process of digging ourselves out of the hole.

Onkel Neal · 08-11-12, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

How long till the tea party faithful are carrying signs saying hands off my medicare again?
It is only "entitlements" when someone else gets them, everything else is a critical service.

Haha, true. I don't mind losing entitlements that affect me, as long as the entitlements go away for everyone.

Ryan is my kind of guy. But, if they do away with Medicare, it will have to be replaced with something. Long ago someone in this country decided that no matter your ability to pay and be responsible for your own life and health, hospitals cannot turn away anyone. So someone has to pay for these costs. Obamacare may or may not be the way to go, but at least Obama has some kind of plan to manage these costs. What is Romney/Ryan's plan?

August · 08-11-12, 08:25 AM

He's making the announcement in front of the Battleship USS Wisconsin.

08-11-12, 08:25 AM

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But, if they do away with Medicare, it will have to be replaced with something.

Not on planet dreamland

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Long ago someone in this country decided that no matter your ability to pay and be responsible for your own life and health, hospitals cannot turn away anyone.

Most countries decided that, it goes with the proven example of other models failing spectacularly throughout history.
Some countries didn't decide that though, those countries are on the list of third world basket cases.

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Obamacare may or may not be the way to go, but at least Obama has some kind of plan to manage these costs. What is Romney/Ryan's plan?

Obamacare in its passed form is a joke, it is typical corporate pandering. Romneys local plan was better but he has been trying to run a mile from it ever since as the "my benefits are sacred and everyone elses entitlements are socialist bribes to lazy worthless scum" crowd are trying to hang him for it.

mookiemookie · 08-11-12, 08:28 AM

"ROMNEY/RYAN 2012 - Throwin' gramma under the bus and strappin' the dog to the top of it!"

Onkel Neal · 08-11-12, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by August

He's making the announcement in front of the Battleship USS Wisconsin.

Haha, did Romney just introduce Ryan as "the next president of the US" or was that a Freudian slip on my part?

August · 08-11-12, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Haha, did Romney just introduce Ryan as "the next president of the US" or was that a Freudian slip on my part?

Yeah he did.

You know that's gonna be some grist for the debate mill.

mookiemookie · 08-11-12, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Starting off on a constructive note, eh?

That's why I thought better of it and withdrew my comment.

08-11-12, 01:29 AM	#1
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Romney picks Ryan as VP As it says - AP has reported 3 sources all confirming Paul Ryan as the VP pick by Mitt Romney. A lot of democratic strategists have been saying that a Ryan pick will open up avenues of attack regarding the Ryan Budget. Don't count on it.... Team Obama making an issue of the Ryan Budget plan runs one huge risk that Ryan himself won't be shy about pointing out.... In 3 and a half years - Team D hasn't passed a single budget. So the comparison goes like this... Team Obama: What will the Evil Republican Ryan plan due to entitlements like Medicare and Medicaid, Welfare and other "critical" services? Response: Put the country back on a fiscally sane path. What will the Democrat plan do for the country? Oh wait - they havent - and still don't - have one! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,206 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	He's making the announcement in front of the Battleship USS Wisconsin. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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08-11-12, 03:05 AM	#3
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	How long till the tea party faithful are carrying signs saying hands off my medicare again? It is only "entitlements" when someone else gets them, everything else is a critical service.

08-11-12, 03:12 AM	#4
Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	If I tried to describe how proud I am of Congressman Ryan, I'd fall short of adjectives. I've voted for this man, talked with this man, have had several photographs taken with this man, and have followed this man's wonderful career from the get-go; and while our 1st district will be sad to lose such a wonderful representative in the House of Representatives, we couldn't be more proud to share him with the rest of our great nation. I have never been more excited for a presidential ticket. I'll admit that I've even shed tears of joy over this news. Paul Ryan represents a new mode of thinking that we've always been afraid of - change for the sustainability of a nation of independence. Hard change. We in Wisconsin went through this so-called nightmare. The left screamed that the sky would fall; that if the old ways weren't preserved, we'd spiral into our destruction. It didn't happen, and when they tried to recall our governor, Scott Walker, they were repudiated by the voters. Why? Because we are finally ready to embrace smart, bold politicians. While Mitt Romney is certainly smart, he's not very bold. Paul Ryan is the perfect medicine for that. Now I know that critics will bring up Sarah Palin and how she was the bold choice for McCain, and the ticket failed. While I understand that argument, I see two major flaws: One, Palin isn't nearly as numbers-smart and seasoned as Ryan, and her committment to anything other than publicity is to be questioned as she resigned from her frickin' governorship. Two, the political dynamic was completely different in '08, and I doubt that any Republican could have won. In any case, I cannot overstate my joy at Paul Ryan being a heartbeat away from the Presidency. On Wisconsin!

08-11-12, 06:02 AM	#7
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Part of me hoped his first name would be Jack...although that would mean that Congress was about to get explosively redecorated.