Attn: Mediterranean Kapitans!

Skweetis · 01-18-06, 01:48 PM

I need your weather observations in the Med!

I have done some research on weather in the med, for making sure that my Random weather utility accurately reflects Med weather.

My big question is this: Do you find that SH3 treats weather the same in the Med as it does in the Atlantic? Or is it definately more "stable"?

All my research has come to the same conclusion, summed up perfectly by this quote I found related to the subject:

"Welcome to the Mediterranean Sea! Itâ€™s been described as one big bath tub where winds are either dead calm or gale force with nothing in between. It can be dangerous - countless sailors over the centuries never came home. "

Would you say this is truely modeled in SH3?

I plan on incorporating a different set of starting weather and change rates for those that start in the 29.flotille, provided that in your extensive experience in this theatre you have found the weather to change the same as it does in the Atlantic.

Your findings will be of great help! I thank you sincerely.

Jamie

Marhkimov · 01-18-06, 02:14 PM

I'm pretty sure that weather in the med is identical to that of weather in the Atlantic.

I think the devs were planning on adding variable weather conditions related to geographic location, but they just never got around to adding it. Case in point being that there are three types of seas (Atlantic, Arctic, Med) but only the Atlantic one is ever used.

And from personal experience, I've had a few patrols in the Med, and it doesn't seem as though the weather is any different than the Atlantic. It just follows the same random pattern.

irish1958 · 01-18-06, 02:31 PM

I have not niticed any difference either.
irish1958

Skweetis · 01-18-06, 03:18 PM

That is what I thought. I will then incorporate customized weather settings for the med (specifically if starting with the 29th) in my Weather Generator utility.

Thanks kindly for the feedback!

Jamie

Panama_Red · 01-18-06, 03:38 PM

In reference to your variable weather (great idea), here is a weather chart from a board game I used to play (Europa). The weather for each area is:

North Atlantic:
Dec/Feb: Calm 15%, Rough 50%, Stormy 35%
Mar: Calm 25%, Rough 60%, Stormy 15%
Apr: Calm 60%, Rough 40%, Stormy 00%
May/Sep: Calm 85%, Rough 15%, Stormy 00%
Oct: Calm 60%, Rough 40%, Stormy 00%
Nov: Calm 25%, Rough 60%, Stormy 15%

Mediterranean:
Dec/Feb: Calm 50%, Rough 50%
Mar: Calm 75%, Rough 25%
Apr/Oct: Calm 100%, Rough 00%
Nov: Calm 75%, Rough 25%

Artic:
Dec/Feb: Calm 00%, Rough 35%, Stormy 65%
Mar: Calm 00%, Rough 50%, Stormy 50%
Apr: Calm 25%, Rough 50%, Stormy 25%
May/Sep: Calm 50%, Rough 50%, Stormy 00%
Oct: Calm 25%, Rough 50%, Stormy 25%
Nov: Calm 00%, Rough 50%, Stormy 50%

Ducimus · 01-18-06, 04:31 PM

"Welcome to the Silent Hunter 3!! Where winds are either dead calm or gale force with nothing in between. .."

FIXED!

(sorry, coudlnt resist)

Skweetis · 01-18-06, 04:37 PM

Panama, that is excellent! thanks!

Ducimus, my thoughts exactly! hahaha

Scire · 01-19-06, 04:47 AM

Well, from my real life experience the med conditions are the following:
first of all you must take present that the med is a closed sea that take lot of influence from the north cold front and the south african ones. The conflict regarding this mainly big front provide a very quikly changes from calm to storming conditions in about 6/12 hours a day during all the seasons.

By general view:

Dec/Feb: Calm 20%, Rough 80% lots of storm with very strong wind (even to 60/100 Km/h when Bora or Maestrale cames up) very heavy fog often with calm sea times especially in the Adriatic sea.

Mar: Calm 75%, Rough 25% moderate fog in the first morning and moderate wind

Apr/Oct: Calm 95%, Rough 5% Very quickly short time storms (about 1/2 hours) due to termical inversion by cold air flow over very heated waters Wind generally calm.

Nov: Calm 75%, Rough 25% very heavy fog at night and first morning. Lots of rain precipitations.

Marhkimov · 01-19-06, 04:49 AM

^^^^^Listen to this guy. He definately knows what he is talking about.

Skweetis · 01-19-06, 10:19 AM

This is great! I will do my best to balance it this way when starting in the med, but I must make the disclaimer, that I am limited by what I can do with the tools provided by SH3... but I will do my best.

If I can figure out how to do it, I'd like to make a weather "trainer" that would run in the background, and modify weather in memory at runtime. Not likely however, Im just a hobby programmer....

What I wouldnt give for an SDK....

Panama_Red · 01-19-06, 10:24 AM

Skweetis:
If you can figure out how to get the correct approximate percentage of "calm, rough and stormy" weather for the Med, you could hopefully fix the Atlantic and Artic too.

01-18-06, 01:48 PM	#1
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Attn: Mediterranean Kapitans! I need your weather observations in the Med! I have done some research on weather in the med, for making sure that my Random weather utility accurately reflects Med weather. My big question is this: Do you find that SH3 treats weather the same in the Med as it does in the Atlantic? Or is it definately more "stable"? All my research has come to the same conclusion, summed up perfectly by this quote I found related to the subject: "Welcome to the Mediterranean Sea! Itâ€™s been described as one big bath tub where winds are either dead calm or gale force with nothing in between. It can be dangerous - countless sailors over the centuries never came home. " Would you say this is truely modeled in SH3? I plan on incorporating a different set of starting weather and change rates for those that start in the 29.flotille, provided that in your extensive experience in this theatre you have found the weather to change the same as it does in the Atlantic. Your findings will be of great help! I thank you sincerely. Jamie

01-18-06, 02:14 PM	#2
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm pretty sure that weather in the med is identical to that of weather in the Atlantic. I think the devs were planning on adding variable weather conditions related to geographic location, but they just never got around to adding it. Case in point being that there are three types of seas (Atlantic, Arctic, Med) but only the Atlantic one is ever used. And from personal experience, I've had a few patrols in the Med, and it doesn't seem as though the weather is any different than the Atlantic. It just follows the same random pattern. __________________ It takes two to tango

01-18-06, 02:31 PM	#3
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	weather I have not niticed any difference either. irish1958

01-18-06, 04:31 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Re: Attn: Mediterranean Kapitans! "Welcome to the Silent Hunter 3!! Where winds are either dead calm or gale force with nothing in between. .." FIXED! (sorry, coudlnt resist)

01-19-06, 04:47 AM	#8
Scire Gunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: La Spezia Italy Posts: 93 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Well, from my real life experience the med conditions are the following: first of all you must take present that the med is a closed sea that take lot of influence from the north cold front and the south african ones. The conflict regarding this mainly big front provide a very quikly changes from calm to storming conditions in about 6/12 hours a day during all the seasons. By general view: Dec/Feb: Calm 20%, Rough 80% lots of storm with very strong wind (even to 60/100 Km/h when Bora or Maestrale cames up) very heavy fog often with calm sea times especially in the Adriatic sea. Mar: Calm 75%, Rough 25% moderate fog in the first morning and moderate wind Apr/Oct: Calm 95%, Rough 5% Very quickly short time storms (about 1/2 hours) due to termical inversion by cold air flow over very heated waters Wind generally calm. Nov: Calm 75%, Rough 25% very heavy fog at night and first morning. Lots of rain precipitations. __________________ "Six Italians, dressed in rather unusual diving suits and equipped with materials of laughably little cost, have swung the military balance of power in the Mediterranean in favour of the Axis". Sir Winston Churchill, on the sinking of HMS Valiant and HMS Queen Elizabeth by Italian Combat Divers

01-18-06, 03:18 PM	#4
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	That is what I thought. I will then incorporate customized weather settings for the med (specifically if starting with the 29th) in my Weather Generator utility. Thanks kindly for the feedback! Jamie

01-18-06, 03:38 PM	#5
Panama_Red Ensign Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 229 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	In reference to your variable weather (great idea), here is a weather chart from a board game I used to play (Europa). The weather for each area is: North Atlantic: Dec/Feb: Calm 15%, Rough 50%, Stormy 35% Mar: Calm 25%, Rough 60%, Stormy 15% Apr: Calm 60%, Rough 40%, Stormy 00% May/Sep: Calm 85%, Rough 15%, Stormy 00% Oct: Calm 60%, Rough 40%, Stormy 00% Nov: Calm 25%, Rough 60%, Stormy 15% Mediterranean: Dec/Feb: Calm 50%, Rough 50% Mar: Calm 75%, Rough 25% Apr/Oct: Calm 100%, Rough 00% Nov: Calm 75%, Rough 25% Artic: Dec/Feb: Calm 00%, Rough 35%, Stormy 65% Mar: Calm 00%, Rough 50%, Stormy 50% Apr: Calm 25%, Rough 50%, Stormy 25% May/Sep: Calm 50%, Rough 50%, Stormy 00% Oct: Calm 25%, Rough 50%, Stormy 25% Nov: Calm 00%, Rough 50%, Stormy 50%

01-18-06, 04:37 PM	#7
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Panama, that is excellent! thanks! Ducimus, my thoughts exactly! hahaha

01-19-06, 04:49 AM	#9
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	^^^^^Listen to this guy. He definately knows what he is talking about. __________________ It takes two to tango

01-19-06, 10:19 AM	#10
Skweetis Watch Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cambridge, Canada Posts: 335 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	This is great! I will do my best to balance it this way when starting in the med, but I must make the disclaimer, that I am limited by what I can do with the tools provided by SH3... but I will do my best. If I can figure out how to do it, I'd like to make a weather "trainer" that would run in the background, and modify weather in memory at runtime. Not likely however, Im just a hobby programmer.... What I wouldnt give for an SDK....

01-19-06, 10:24 AM	#11
Panama_Red Ensign Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 229 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	Skweetis: If you can figure out how to get the correct approximate percentage of "calm, rough and stormy" weather for the Med, you could hopefully fix the Atlantic and Artic too.