Can Santorum win?

geetrue · 04-08-12, 07:08 PM

I have a seed thought, sort of, on Santorum ...

Really stepping out on faith here that Santorum will win ...

The Lord said that "after Lent Santorum will win"

This would be really funny due to all of the biggies throwing their weight behind Romney,
but Romney still only has half what he needs to sew up the nomination.

What a turn around if true ... I for one do not think Romney can beat
Obama just too many things to go wrong for wrong way thinkers.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3247...es-backers.htm

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needs 1,144 delegates required to win the nomination at the Republican convention in August. CNN estimates that Romney has 657 delegates, over 200 more than the combined total for Santorum and Gingrich, who has polled in the single digits ...

Platapus · 04-08-12, 07:33 PM

I would not vote for Santorum. I like my governments secular and I have a suspicion that Santorum is a dominionist.

Gargamel · 04-08-12, 09:51 PM

I hope sanatorium does win so that Obama is a shoe in.

GoldenRivet · 04-08-12, 11:41 PM

I prefer my governments small, and out of the business of "business"... if an empty shoe box runs against BO... I'd vote for it just to vote against him.

and nearly every non race oriented voter i know who voted for BO last time says they will not be repeating that mistake this time.

lets hope we can send that America hating president packing

CaptainHaplo · 04-09-12, 01:47 AM

I'd prefer Newt, but I would rather have Santorum than Romney. I'll vote Romney if I have to - but come primary day my vote goes to Newt regardless. I will vote for the best man for the job - and in the primary that is Newt. In the general, its whoever else is running besides Obama.

Skybird · 04-09-12, 06:06 AM

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Catfish · 04-09-12, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I prefer my governments small, and out of the business of "business"... [...]

I am afraid your government and "business" are the same.

mookiemookie · 04-09-12, 06:37 AM

People are getting fed up with politicians banging the religion drum. The takeover of the Republican Party by the religious right 20 years ago has had horrible effects on this country and has turned the party into a laughingstock and the butt of jokes. The GOP "saints" like Reagan that the Sarah Palins of the world love to bring up and reference wouldn't recognize today's Republican party, and would be spurned by the hard right religious fundamentalists today.

Santorum has a snowball's chance to win the GOP nomination, and less of a chance to win the general election. Thankfully.

Takeda Shingen · 04-09-12, 06:51 AM

Clearly Santorum can't with the primaries, let alone the general election. Of course, none of the GOP candidates fare well in GE polls. Any potential Republican candidates that people might have been excited over have, for some reason, decided to sit this one out. It's like the GOP is making a really half-hearted effort this time around. Not sure what that's all about.

To be honest, it could likely be what mookie said. I think that Team R has realized that it's emphasis on social conservatism isn't gaining the traction that it used to and that the GOP is still in the process of transforming it's image. In the meantime, you get candidates like these.

Platapus · 04-09-12, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

It's like the GOP is making a really half-hearted effort this time around. Not sure what that's all about.

It is difficult to unseat the incumbent. In recent history we had Bush Sr and Carter. Ford is a unique case. Throughout our history we have had nine one term presidents, albeit not all were not reelected. That's 20 percent. If I remember my calculus, that would mean that about 80% of presidents get reelected. Those are pretty good odds.

I think it is quite logical for the GOP to keep some of their stars on deck for 2016 when it is an even field. Sure the GOP has to put someone in, but why risk a star when they are already facing the up-hill battle to unseat the incumbent?

There is still a stigma about losing an election. What major GOP star will risk being defeated by the incumbent? So you send in your JV and hope for a "20%" chance of unseating the incumbent (hey it happens) but then plan on bringing out the big guns in '16.

At least that's what I tell myself. I would hate to think that Romney and Santorium ARE the big GOP stars.

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RNC please tell me these are your JV and that you have some legitimate candidates lined up for 2016.

u crank · 04-09-12, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

At least that's what I tell myself. I would hate to think that Romney and Santorium ARE the big GOP stars.

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RNC please tell me these are your JV and that you have some legitimate candidates lined up for 2016.

Now that's a sad possibility.

August · 04-09-12, 06:19 PM

Second term presidents are lame ducks as soon as the polls close. I'd rather see the GoP win Congress. It's going to take legislative action to undo the mess he's made.

vienna · 04-09-12, 06:31 PM

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I think it is quite logical for the GOP to keep some of their stars on deck for 2016 when it is an even field. Sure the GOP has to put someone in, but why risk a star when they are already facing the up-hill battle to unseat the incumbent?

There is still a stigma about losing an election. What major GOP star will risk being defeated by the incumbent? So you send in your JV and hope for a "20%" chance of unseating the incumbent (hey it happens) but then plan on bringing out the big guns in '16.

Agreed with this. You can go back to Reagan when he was Governor of California. At the time he left office, there were no term limits; he could have run for a 3rd term. However, his Democratic opponent was Jerry Brown, son of a popular former Governor, Edmund G. "Pat" Brown, and he had much residual goodwill from his father's name. Also, Reagan had been wearing very thin on the electorate of California; there was a very, very good chance Reagan would lose and lose big if he ran for another term. Since Reagan had his sights set on the White House, a loss would be harmful to his attempt to get the GOP nomination, and a really big loss would have been almost cretainly fatal to his bid. So Reagan declined to run and concentrated on a White House bid with the GOP. This is probably what some of the better possible GOP candidates are doing. As pointrd out in an earlier post, 2016 will be a level field and there is a better chance to win without riunning against an incumbent...

Two interesting side notes: Reagan didn't decide to not run until late in his 2nd term. His supporters had banded together to fund and build a new, lavish Governor's mansion for Reagan's expected 3rd term. After Reagan bailed, the new Governor, Jerry Brown, who had campaigned on a platform of Spartan government spending, refused to live in the new mansion, instead opting for a rather sparse apartment. The mansion went unused for quite some time, became a local symbol of the excesses of the Regan governorship, and was ulimately sold by the state...

Secondly, Jerry Brown served as Governor after Reagan, replacing in office a former actor: in 2010, Jerry Brown was again elected as Governor, replacing in office a former actor, Arnold Schwartzenegger...

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Oberon · 04-09-12, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Second term presidents are lame ducks as soon as the polls close. I'd rather see the GoP win Congress. It's going to take legislative action to undo the mess he's made.

That's most likely what will happen, the Republicans will fail the elections but do well in Congress. They just haven't got a strong front-runner...they're in their 'wilderness years' following Bush Jr, but I reckon by 2016 they'll be back.

vienna · 04-09-12, 08:02 PM

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...they're in their 'wilderness years' following Bush Jr, but I reckon by 2016 they'll be back.

Are you saying Dubbya led them into the wilderness?

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04-08-12, 07:33 PM	#2
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,429 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I would not vote for Santorum. I like my governments secular and I have a suspicion that Santorum is a dominionist. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	I hope sanatorium does win so that Obama is a shoe in. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

04-08-12, 11:41 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,729 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I prefer my governments small, and out of the business of "business"... if an empty shoe box runs against BO... I'd vote for it just to vote against him. and nearly every non race oriented voter i know who voted for BO last time says they will not be repeating that mistake this time. lets hope we can send that America hating president packing __________________

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CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,405 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I'd prefer Newt, but I would rather have Santorum than Romney. I'll vote Romney if I have to - but come primary day my vote goes to Newt regardless. I will vote for the best man for the job - and in the primary that is Newt. In the general, its whoever else is running besides Obama. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

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mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	People are getting fed up with politicians banging the religion drum. The takeover of the Republican Party by the religious right 20 years ago has had horrible effects on this country and has turned the party into a laughingstock and the butt of jokes. The GOP "saints" like Reagan that the Sarah Palins of the world love to bring up and reference wouldn't recognize today's Republican party, and would be spurned by the hard right religious fundamentalists today. Santorum has a snowball's chance to win the GOP nomination, and less of a chance to win the general election. Thankfully. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

04-09-12, 06:51 AM	#9
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Clearly Santorum can't with the primaries, let alone the general election. Of course, none of the GOP candidates fare well in GE polls. Any potential Republican candidates that people might have been excited over have, for some reason, decided to sit this one out. It's like the GOP is making a really half-hearted effort this time around. Not sure what that's all about. To be honest, it could likely be what mookie said. I think that Team R has realized that it's emphasis on social conservatism isn't gaining the traction that it used to and that the GOP is still in the process of transforming it's image. In the meantime, you get candidates like these.

04-09-12, 06:19 PM	#12
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,249 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Second term presidents are lame ducks as soon as the polls close. I'd rather see the GoP win Congress. It's going to take legislative action to undo the mess he's made. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.