Libyans desecrate WWII allied war graves

[TLAM Strike]

A furious mob has desecrated dozens of Commonwealth War Graves in a Libyan cemetery amid continuing fury in the Middle East over the burning of the Koran by U.S. soldiers.
Headstones commemorating British and Allied servicemen, killed during World War II campaigns in the Western Desert, lay smashed and strewn across Benghazi Military Cemetery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-burning.html

[Oberon]

Hardly surprising. This IS the Middle East after all.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Hardly surprising. This IS the Middle East after all.

Actually I think it in North Africa.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Actually I think it in North Africa.

Geographically yes, mentality, all the same. If in doubt, blame Western Europe and set fire to something that belongs to them.
That being said, I dare say that Western Europe has done something similar to that to them before, burning down Mosques and that, probably not recently though, but that's how it goes. No nation is a saint.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Meanwhile they burn american flags, turn to us when they want to rebel, and then go back to the same thing they were always doing. not to mention these soldiers died to Wrench the axis from North Africa.

Its all such idiotic tribalism. It makes me sick to my stomach to see U.S soldiers urinating on dead soldiers and it sickens me to see these hypocrites desecrate war graves. Its all so ridiculous...

[joegrundman]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Meanwhile they burn american flags, turn to us when they want to rebel, and then go back to the same thing they were always doing. not to mention these soldiers died to Wrench the axis from North Africa.

Its all such idiotic tribalism. It makes me sick to my stomach to see U.S soldiers urinating on dead soldiers and it sickens me to see these hypocrites desecrate war graves. Its all so ridiculous...

i think this whole thing is just another indicator of the fundamental problems with the Islamic world and its relations with the non-islamic -that is, as some Britisher of the colonial era once said (and i forget who it was) the islamic world is like an enormous drum. You tap one small part of it and you hear the sound all over it.

They like to say that they are not monolithic, and emphasise the diversity within them, when it suits them to do so. No doubt it is true too in many aspects - and for sure Muslim Malaysia had little in common with Muslim Pakistan (although there are pressures for standardisation in recent years), it is also the case that there are many similarities, and especially this tribal instinct to unite in common outrage when their inflated sense of grievance is challenged.

The reaction to this display of unity of theirs is that we see them as united and associate their readiness to acts of violence that we see in kabul and libya with muslim communities in europe, russia and america. As you say it reinforces "idiotic tribalism"

Yes they asked for help when they wanted to rebel - why wouldn't they? Asking costs nothing. We helped them in Libya for our reasons, not for theirs. Although I acknowledge a little gratitiude wouldn't go amiss. Although you should also keep in perspective - how many people does it take to desecrate a cemetary? It's not like it was official policy of whatever it is that passes for government in post-gadaffi libya.

But also, i wouldn't confuse the status of allied war graves in libya. I think they do not have the same meaning in Libya as they do in France for example, whereby they are the cost allied forces paid to liberate the oppressed from tyranny.

I argue that in North Africa, they were not about this. They were one set of colonial rulers fighting a turf war with another set of colonial masters. Mostly the whole thing represents a reminder of the wretched condition to which the muslim world had fallen (and still is in) compared to their medieval glory days when the muslim world was roughly equal to or better than the other main civilisations of the day. In those days muslim lands were not merely the battlegrounds were great christian nations did battle with one another (and just a minor part of the battle at that).

I would be surprised if they felt that gratitude to the allied dead was a feeling that we expected of them.

[Jimbuna]

I read these comments on the link with both an air of interest and sadness.

I do not agree with what they have done but i can see why they would be angry,in the past few months there have been photos of US troops urinating on dead bodies and burning their religious books. They attacked our graves because we are guilty by association the same way that we will happily attack people saying they are helping the taliban etc. I wonder what the reaction of hardline Christians in the US would be if the found Muslims had been burning the Bible?

On behalf of all those dead soldiers,may I thank You Mr Cameron for helping to create this, at least the last regime in Llibya had the decency to respect our fallen of WW2!

Would someone care to remind us what the Saudis do to bibles confiscated on entry to their country? I could go on with many more examples of the uncivilised - and often fatal - nature of of the actions of islamic countries towards members of other religions.

Its all such idiotic tribalism. It makes me sick to my stomach to see U.S soldiers urinating on dead soldiers and it sickens me to see these hypocrites desecrate war graves. Its all so ridiculous...

Good point well made.

@joegrundman. one little point, you note the colonial nature as a difference between graves in France and in Africa, however it should also be considered that the silly tribalsim has led to many instances of French.....(can't call them Frenchmen in this instance for obvious reasons as scum would be a better suffix)...desecrating allied graves in France because they have a silly hatred of Britain or America.

[Skybird]

Pre-medieval tribalism, Islam, ultra-orthodox patriarchalism - that is like holding an open vial of Ebola, Plague and Anthrax in your hand and having forgotten where one has put the cap.

[STEED]

Its a bloody book for crying out loud!

Anyone would think the US Army shot a few Libyans for being in the way.

Books can be re-printed you know, hang on has anyone told them that? Makes you wonder.


These people...Are what's the point you know.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by STEED

Its a bloody book for crying out loud!

Apparently it means much more to them than that. I agree with you, though: "Just a damn book... get over it."

Its a bloody book for crying out loud!

Yes, and some people go mad over a flag, same sillyness isn't it.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Apparently it means much more to them than that. I agree with you, though: "Just a damn book... get over it."

Obama excused to them - not to Allah, why is that? - on the same day when Amerian officers got shot dead in the Kabul HQ.

That is like sending a message of weakness, a message encouraging them.

Nobody should have excused over it at all. And if their heads pop open over it in anger - must not be our concern, but would have been of great benefit for the rest of mankind.


I read that some of the Qurans that got disposed, where used by prisoners to write conspratory message into them to communicate with other prisoners. I wonder why this profanity is of no concern for those "demostrators".

Islam is a political ideology first, a religious one only second. Politics is the intention, totalitarian control and supremacistic dominance - religion only serves as a deception. Self-victimization and claiming a status of eternal, always existing offence and being snapped over that, is a rethoric weapon to make the other feel bad, to make him excuse, to make him make another small step backwards while one makes one step ahead oneself.

On Afghanistan, since 2005 at the very latest I am saying that the war there already is FUBAR and is lost and cannot be won anymore. Since then I never had s single reason, not even the smallest one, to ever put that assessement into doubt.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yes, and some people go mad over a flag, same sillyness isn't it.

QFT. Every culture has a loose hinge somewhere.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by krashkart

"Just a damn book... get over it."

On the other side, you can say that they are just damned stones.....get over it; the dead don't care. The problem is dogma. Many Muslims hold their religion close to the chest. Many in the West hold war and the military in a quasi-religious manner as well. If we all let our beliefs go, then there would be nothing to fight over. Nobody is, however, ever going to do that. Certainly we won't; it would be called unreasonable. And so to expect the other to do it is equally unreasonable.

When Tevye overheard the cries for 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth', he quipped that soon the whole world would be blind and toothless. He is right.