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August · 02-23-12, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by u crank

Actually Santorum was U.S. Senator for 12 years. No small feat. His problem as I see it is that he is a hard core Catholic. People who have been born and raised in that environment can understand this. I no longer or have I ever for that matter pledged allegiance to the guy with the funny hat who lives in a palace in a far away land. But I know all the doctrine or at least enough of it.

What happens is that the more hard core you become in this belief system the more you revert to medieval, non democratic and unreasonable beliefs. It's the nature of this system. I'm sure there are lots of good and reasonable Catholics out there. I know some of them but the extremists always get the microphone.

Considering the age of this speech and the American election circus expect more goodies to come. Oh boy.

Also has coat on.

Cheers.

I know that the Democrats and their media allies are trying darned hard to portray him as a "hard core" Catholic, but then again they did the same thing to JFK when he was running for office.

August · 02-23-12, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Unfortunately, that seems to be the standoffish attitude in Washington that's lead to record low approval ratings.

Yep but unfortunately it doesn't matter what the rest of the country might think. Congresscritters only have to please the voters of their district. That's how nuts like Pelosi stay in power.

Although I'm not a supporter it must be said that Santorum has managed to remain a senator of a state with a fairly rich religious and ethnic diversity.

mookiemookie · 02-23-12, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Although I'm not a supporter it must be said that Santorum has managed to remain a senator of a state with a fairly rich religious and ethnic diversity.

Past tense. He got stomped by 18% in 2006.

em2nought · 02-23-12, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

A year ago or so I said that Obama cannot win the election by his own effort - but that the Republicans can defeat themselves with their candidate lineup.

Some Reps must have heared me, and now they really put their heart into proving me right.

How on earth does Ron Paul end up being cast as the nut job in this gang?

I'm just at a loss, and so will the GOP be. The great redistributor will win again, and I have that much less time to become an expat.

Ducimus · 02-23-12, 02:53 PM

Reading this thread, a very plausible hypothesis occurs to me. That being, the an increase of bible thumping, is directly proportional to an increase in fear and uncertainty. When rational, logical answers cannot be found, desperation inspires spiritual ones with a certain zeal.

August · 02-23-12, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Past tense. He got stomped by 18% in 2006.

Still 12 years of Senatorial service and 4 years as a Rep means he won four times so I think the point stands.

soopaman2 · 02-23-12, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Reading this thread, a very plausible hypothesis occurs to me. That being, the an increase of bible thumping, is directly proportional to an increase in fear and uncertainty. When rational, logical answers cannot be found, desperation inspires spiritual ones with a certain zeal.

Yeah, it is why the pope was able to inspire every catholic nation to set out on crusades, to excommunicate countires and effect their world standing at will. To give Brazil (New World demarcation line) to Portugual (via papal bull Isued by Alexander the VI, also known as Rodrigo Borgia!)

And Rodrigo is really known for being honest, and Holy right?

Religion is a powerful tool, sucked up by fools, and used by those in power to enslave.

But don't tell the Red state sheeple, being a student of history shattered my belief in organized religion. I see how it is used to manipulate the masses, and saddens me how stupid other people are.

I was raised Roman catholic, from a devout Italian family. (disclaimer)

u crank · 02-23-12, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by August

I know that the Democrats and their media allies are trying darned hard to portray him as a "hard core" Catholic, but then again they did the same thing to JFK when he was running for office.

You are right August, they are doing this very thing. The difference is that JFK made a point to distance himself from his religious beliefs in the political arena. "I do not speak for my Church on public matters - and the Church does not speak for me." Houston Tx. Sept. 12 1960. Santorum on the other hand is basically stepping in his own doo doo. He's handed the other guys a big stick and they will use it. These days you say something controversial and before you're out the door it's on the 'interwebs'. In Kennedy's day politicians got a free pass on a lot of things but those days are gone. For better or worse I can't say.

Regards.

Takeda Shingen · 02-23-12, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Past tense. He got stomped by 18% in 2006.

Dude got spanked by Bob Casey in the largest defeat in Pennsylvania senatorial history. PA didn't want him; I'll bet that the nation won't either. The guy was my senator for quite some time. No thanks this time around.

Now, to the most important matter of the thread--The Church Lady. I take particular grievance with the use of the early 90's as 'old school' SNL. While the early 90's is a golden age in the franchise, the Radner/Belishi/Aykroyd/Chase cast of the late 70's is clearly the old school. Dana Carvey is a brilliant comic, but he is not true old school.

Oh, and SNL needs to be put out to pasture. Hasn't been funny for 15 years.

mookiemookie · 02-23-12, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Dude got spanked by Bob Casey in the largest defeat in Pennsylvania senatorial history. PA didn't want him; I'll bet that the nation won't either. The guy was my senator for quite some time. No thanks this time around.

It was the worst loss for an incumbent Republican senator ever, anywhere. That's a pretty resounding "heck no!" on his positions. I was reading an article that said that's pretty much a preview of what could happen if he got the nomination. He doesn't poll well with women and independents and that's what will kill him in a general election.

Takeda Shingen · 02-23-12, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It was the worst loss for an incumbent Republican senator ever, anywhere. That's a pretty resounding "heck no!" on his positions. I was reading an article that said that's pretty much a preview of what could happen if he got the nomination. He doesn't poll well with women and independents and that's what will kill him in a general election.

He is polling well in the primary, but this is largely the hardcore R's that really like his social stance. They'll vote 'anything but the community manager' position. For me, a high priest is no improvement over a failed community manager. It's all about what rights you want to give up. Obama curtails financial rights. Santorm wants to curtail your civil rights. I feel no hope in this election process.

August · 02-23-12, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

"Theocracy - baaaaaaad when the Moooslems do it, good when our guvermint gets it's Jesusin' on!" - Rick Santorum

By the way Mookie, do you really think that lying about what he said makes the argument against him any stronger? I'm sure there are some Euro's who'll believe it without question, after all he is a Republican, but it seems to me that over the top mischaracterizations will motivate more people to vote for him than it will deter.

mookiemookie · 02-23-12, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by August

By the way Mookie, do you really think that lying about what he said makes the argument against him any stronger? I'm sure there are some Euro's who'll believe it without question, after all he is a Republican, but it seems to me that over the top mischaracterizations will motivate more people to vote for him than it will deter.

Making a goofy joke is now considered lying about him and will cause voters to flock to the polls to cast their votes for him. Duly noted.

If that's the case, then McBee single handedly gave Obama the election.

Bilge_Rat · 02-23-12, 06:00 PM

I personally do not like Santorum, much too extreme for my taste.

However, objectively, I just don't see how he can be elected President. He may get the Republican votes, but unless the economy takes an absolute nose dive over the next six months, most of the independents will probably choose Obama as the lesser of two evil.

Romney, despite all his numerous flaws, is still the only Republican candidate that would have a decent chance in November. However the GOP would rather be "right" than in office.

MH · 02-23-12, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August

By the way Mookie, do you really think that lying about what he said makes the argument against him any stronger? I'm sure there are some Euro's who'll believe it without question, after all he is a Republican, but it seems to me that over the top mischaracterizations will motivate more people to vote for him than it will deter.

Oh common.. even if this was just a political speech at some christian school for religious voters it was stupid.
Satan this... Satan that... i guess it was metaphor for the audience but still a little bit off.
Just cant wait for the second coming to become christian or burn in hell for eternity lol.

02-23-12, 06:00 PM	#29
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	I personally do not like Santorum, much too extreme for my taste. However, objectively, I just don't see how he can be elected President. He may get the Republican votes, but unless the economy takes an absolute nose dive over the next six months, most of the independents will probably choose Obama as the lesser of two evil. Romney, despite all his numerous flaws, is still the only Republican candidate that would have a decent chance in November. However the GOP would rather be "right" than in office. __________________

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Reading this thread, a very plausible hypothesis occurs to me. That being, the an increase of bible thumping, is directly proportional to an increase in fear and uncertainty. When rational, logical answers cannot be found, desperation inspires spiritual ones with a certain zeal.