Need some aircraft ID help - Page 2

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-06-12, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

The other is a Yak-18 the pilot is quite skilled he will do loops and rolls most times when he flys it.Well maybe the Yak is not rare but you see many times more Cessnas or Piper Cubs round here than Yaks.

Its not very common either. Wiki article says that there are 40 aircraft still in existence and of those 6 (3 in USA, 3 in Europe) are in flying condition and four in restoration process. Don't know how upto date that info is though.

Stealhead · 02-06-12, 10:31 AM

Well I know one thing for sure the Yak-18 is a very loud aircraft indeed taking into consideration its size.I don't know civil aircraft as as well as military but I was in the USAF and worked on the flight most everyday and I would still rank the Yak-18 as one of the louder planes I have seen er heard.Another really loud aircraft the old C-141s those things where much louder than any other cargo aircraft in the USAF you where supposed to wear ear plugs and ear phones and still the C-141 seemed loud to me.

Strange how you get to know engine sounds in my career the bases I was at I was either around A-10s or heavy cargo planes both of which use turbofans and they all do have their distinctive sounds the older KC-135s for example sound different than the newer R(the Rs have different engines) model ones and C-17s sound different than C-5s.I got to where I could know that something different was coming by hearing it before I saw it.Like the Bone(If you dont know what that is you dont need to know but you better fear it

) I heard one coming down the taxiway before I saw it and knew it was not a cargo plane it had some sort of electrical trouble and landed at our base.Another time I heard two German MiG-29s the sound they make is very different from western turbines.Ever heard a P-51 or a Spitfire with the same Merlin engine?Very unique sound.I will always miss the visceral experience of a military flight line never the same day twice.We used to say "I love the smell of JP-8 in the morning." as joke on Apocalypse Now.

tater · 02-06-12, 11:46 AM

The AT-11 is a beechcraft 18, and apparently there are over 200 still flying.

There are many lockheeds of similar types flying (ventura, model 18, hudson, pv-1, pv-2, etc). Some variants had squared wingtips, and I think some may have had this alteration done after the war to improve performance.

Both seem possible since there are many flyable.

Sailor Steve · 02-06-12, 12:45 PM

The problem we have now is that we can offer suggestions and pictures 'til the cows come home, and unless Subnuts comes back and looks at them it's no help at all. He might as well not have asked.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-06-12, 12:50 PM

Hey Steve, Subnuts posted this thread yesterday. He may not have time to hang in this loony bin all the time.

TLAM Strike · 02-06-12, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Hey Steve, Subnuts posted this thread yesterday. He may not have time to hang in this loony bin all the time.

We got to start locking the doors of the asylum at night; too many are escaping...

Stealhead · 02-06-12, 01:30 PM

Maybe he figured it would take a day or so to first become a discussion about
Chinese Iranian missiles, truth about Newt Gingrich, Muppet's are anti oil, Mitt Romney/Ron Paul ticket, ID plane thread.

Sailor Steve · 02-06-12, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Hey Steve, Subnuts posted this thread yesterday. He may not have time to hang in this loony bin all the time.

No, it's been two days. Seems like weeks, though.

Maybe I am getting senile.

Stealhead · 02-06-12, 06:45 PM

Maybe it was a UFO like Subnuts jokingly posted and it later came back and abducted him and don't all those alien abduction victims claim being unable to explain several hours of missing time(Used to happen to me my 20 something days only booze was the culprit) .

CaptainHaplo · 02-06-12, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

Strange how you get to know engine sounds.

Not so much on engine sounds, but I can tell you how many blades a helo has by the sound - and if its a 2 or 4 blade main I can tell you if its out of balance or if the pilot is overtorquing the blades. Just some sounds you learn to tell apart.....

Stealhead · 02-06-12, 11:34 PM

Helicopters defiantly have the distinct rotor sounds I know that the more blades generally the less nose made unless you hearing a Sea Stallion.We get alot of Sea Hawks I assume coming out of NAS Jacksonville and a good amount of Black Hawks as well in my area.The over torquing you mention I saw a 407 pulling a water bag out of the lake near my house and dumping on this fire on shore near the 407 that pilot was really good the way he would come in and drop the bag into the water and pull back up swing round and fly over the fire and drop the load he really knew the limits of his 407.

I did once see a much more rare MH-47 which are only flown by the Night Stalkers and this thing was really moving as well maybe 100ft above the pines saw them for just a few days and they where gone I could see the radar and refueling boom and one of the crew chiefs but sans minigun he waved at me the one time I saw them during the day time.even regular CH-47s have to slow down for AH-64s to keep up.

Interesting thing was this was about 3 or 4 months before the Seal Team did the raid the reaction force that was their back up flew in MH-47s and waited for the call at another location.I wonder if perhaps this was training for that mission I bet they where flying from some place in Ga. and flying a flight plan similar to the one they where going to fly on the mission.I say this because I know they did several dry runs for the Son Toy raid during Vietnam by flying from one base to an area on Eglin AFB to simulate the flight from Thailand to North Vietnam.It would have made alot of sense to pull of several dry runs for the Bin Laden killing mission here in the states where it would not have been noticed.SAC crews also did the same thing all the time over the US to simulate flying over the pole to the USSR practice makes perfect.

02-06-12, 10:31 AM	#17
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well I know one thing for sure the Yak-18 is a very loud aircraft indeed taking into consideration its size.I don't know civil aircraft as as well as military but I was in the USAF and worked on the flight most everyday and I would still rank the Yak-18 as one of the louder planes I have seen er heard.Another really loud aircraft the old C-141s those things where much louder than any other cargo aircraft in the USAF you where supposed to wear ear plugs and ear phones and still the C-141 seemed loud to me. Strange how you get to know engine sounds in my career the bases I was at I was either around A-10s or heavy cargo planes both of which use turbofans and they all do have their distinctive sounds the older KC-135s for example sound different than the newer R(the Rs have different engines) model ones and C-17s sound different than C-5s.I got to where I could know that something different was coming by hearing it before I saw it.Like the Bone(If you dont know what that is you dont need to know but you better fear it) I heard one coming down the taxiway before I saw it and knew it was not a cargo plane it had some sort of electrical trouble and landed at our base.Another time I heard two German MiG-29s the sound they make is very different from western turbines.Ever heard a P-51 or a Spitfire with the same Merlin engine?Very unique sound.I will always miss the visceral experience of a military flight line never the same day twice.We used to say "I love the smell of JP-8 in the morning." as joke on Apocalypse Now. Last edited by Stealhead; 02-06-12 at 10:45 AM.

02-06-12, 11:46 AM	#18
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The AT-11 is a beechcraft 18, and apparently there are over 200 still flying. There are many lockheeds of similar types flying (ventura, model 18, hudson, pv-1, pv-2, etc). Some variants had squared wingtips, and I think some may have had this alteration done after the war to improve performance. Both seem possible since there are many flyable. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

02-06-12, 12:45 PM	#19
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The problem we have now is that we can offer suggestions and pictures 'til the cows come home, and unless Subnuts comes back and looks at them it's no help at all. He might as well not have asked. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-06-12, 12:50 PM	#20
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Hey Steve, Subnuts posted this thread yesterday. He may not have time to hang in this loony bin all the time. __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

02-06-12, 01:30 PM	#22
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Maybe he figured it would take a day or so to first become a discussion about Chinese Iranian missiles, truth about Newt Gingrich, Muppet's are anti oil, Mitt Romney/Ron Paul ticket, ID plane thread.

02-06-12, 06:45 PM	#24
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Maybe it was a UFO like Subnuts jokingly posted and it later came back and abducted him and don't all those alien abduction victims claim being unable to explain several hours of missing time(Used to happen to me my 20 something days only booze was the culprit) .

02-06-12, 11:34 PM	#26
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Helicopters defiantly have the distinct rotor sounds I know that the more blades generally the less nose made unless you hearing a Sea Stallion.We get alot of Sea Hawks I assume coming out of NAS Jacksonville and a good amount of Black Hawks as well in my area.The over torquing you mention I saw a 407 pulling a water bag out of the lake near my house and dumping on this fire on shore near the 407 that pilot was really good the way he would come in and drop the bag into the water and pull back up swing round and fly over the fire and drop the load he really knew the limits of his 407. I did once see a much more rare MH-47 which are only flown by the Night Stalkers and this thing was really moving as well maybe 100ft above the pines saw them for just a few days and they where gone I could see the radar and refueling boom and one of the crew chiefs but sans minigun he waved at me the one time I saw them during the day time.even regular CH-47s have to slow down for AH-64s to keep up. Interesting thing was this was about 3 or 4 months before the Seal Team did the raid the reaction force that was their back up flew in MH-47s and waited for the call at another location.I wonder if perhaps this was training for that mission I bet they where flying from some place in Ga. and flying a flight plan similar to the one they where going to fly on the mission.I say this because I know they did several dry runs for the Son Toy raid during Vietnam by flying from one base to an area on Eglin AFB to simulate the flight from Thailand to North Vietnam.It would have made alot of sense to pull of several dry runs for the Bin Laden killing mission here in the states where it would not have been noticed.SAC crews also did the same thing all the time over the US to simulate flying over the pole to the USSR practice makes perfect.