Depth record - Page 2

Subnuts · 01-30-12, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gambla

L.G. Buchheim's "Das Boot" is called a novel, but he said, that everything written, is his own true experience gathered on different boats. When they lost the boat at Gibraltar, the boat is said to hit ground on 280 m. I believe it's true, as nothing was so important for him as to make the movie as realistic as possible. And by the way, i recently have read an article by him about making the movie. He wasn't very happy with many things.

280 meters? Clay Blair's Hitler's U-boat War says otherwise.

Hinrich Schwab · 01-30-12, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Even more so because Lehmann-Willenbrock was technical adviser on the movie, and he didn't walk away.

For me, that's what made the movie. The real "Der Alte" was there the entire time guiding everyone.

Captain_AJ · 01-30-12, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Schwartzritter

For me, that's what made the movie. The real "Der Alte" was there the entire time guiding everyone.

I think that you can change the depth of the sub using SD3 .. It seem my viib boat can only reach 160 meters , and than she starts getting damaged to the hull .. In fact just for and realisum I took the boat out and did crash dive test and amoungest other things

Hinrich Schwab · 01-30-12, 07:11 PM

What does that have to do with my follow-up quote regarding "Das Boot"?

Fregattenkapitän · 01-31-12, 04:47 AM

I manage to dive to 306 meters with a VIIB.
Damage started around 290 meters.

I used ''blow ballast'' option and engines ''back emergency''
but noting helpt it keeps sticking at 306 meters.

I got some screenshots, but i cant find the folder,

Bilge_Rat · 01-31-12, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Fregattenkapitän

I manage to dive to 306 meters with a VIIB.
Damage started around 290 meters.

you can do anything with mods. Of course, in RL there is no way a VIIB/C could get anywhere close to that depth without risking severe and probably irreversible hull damage.

btw, what mod are you using?

Catfish · 01-31-12, 08:06 AM

Hello,
first i do not know why Blair sometimes writes what he writes, i think he got some reports wrong. U-96 did neither try to sneak through Gibraltar with Buchheim aboard, nor was Buchheim aboard a submarine at the bottom near Gibraltar - at least that is what i read, by B. himself.
Do not take the novel "Das Boot" for completely real, and surely not the film (rivets giving in, in a welded boat ?). For all i have read Johann's reaction seem badly exagerrated, as well general discipline aboard those boats was high, even if the tone itself was sometimes un-militarily. More a kind of respect regarding the other's capabilities. This does not mean that the captain did not indeed have a pistol, and was allowed to use it in cases of mutiny or critical situations. For what has been written, it was never used.

Second, the 338 meters are from Tiesenhausen's log book, partly published in (among others) Frank's "Die Woelfe und der Admiral". The U-331 went down at a steep angle, so the bow may have been deeper than the central part of the boat, anyway a good 300 meters seem believable.

Greetings,
Catfish

Fregattenkapitän · 01-31-12, 09:36 AM

Bilge rat@ I use the stock game

got only the antilag file that i placed into the game noting else.

gambla · 01-31-12, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Subnuts

280 meters? Clay Blair's Hitler's U-boat War says otherwise.

I don't know Clay Blair, but Wikipedia too mentions U 96, to have been on the ground twice, but "only" between 50 and 70 m.

("Das tatsächliche U 96 lag ebenfalls nach einem Angriff vor Gibraltar - sogar zweimal - auf Grund. Allerdings in weniger "dramatischen" Tiefen von 50 m und 70 m")

However, 280 m are beliveable, if you take all accounts together.

Hinrich Schwab · 01-31-12, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gambla

I don't know Clay Blair, but Wikipedia...

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia for anything beyond pop culture.

quink99 · 01-31-12, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gambla
I don't know Clay Blair, but.................

Clay Blair is the author of the wonderful two volume series, Hitler's U-Boat War, Vol. one The Hunters, 1939-1942 (1,700 pages not counting tables and Appendices) and Vol. two, The Hunted, 1942_1945 (1,714 pages, again not counting tables and appendices).

From a listing of primarary and secondary sources the author has given us U-boat fans 3,414 pages of rattling good, page turning, accurate history. Go check it out on Amazon. I highly reccomend it!

"An admirable and important book..........Should become the standard history of the Unterseeboote for many years"
_Russel F. Weigley, The Washington Post"

NOTE: Use the Amazon link at the bottom of this page and if you decide to buy it then our SubSim Forum will get a bit of financial credit.

Sailor Steve · 01-31-12, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by quink99

Clay Blair is the author of the wonderful two volume series, Hitler's U-Boat War, Vol. one The Hunters, 1939-1942 (1,700 pages not counting tables and Appendices) and Vol. two, The Hunted, 1942_1945 (1,714 pages, again not counting tables and appendices).

Not to mention Silent Victory: The US Submarine War Against Japan, preceding the other two and every bit as good, MacArthur: Korea and the Undoing of an American Hero, on which the Gregory Peck movie was based, and several other equally good books.

01-31-12, 08:06 AM	#22
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hello, first i do not know why Blair sometimes writes what he writes, i think he got some reports wrong. U-96 did neither try to sneak through Gibraltar with Buchheim aboard, nor was Buchheim aboard a submarine at the bottom near Gibraltar - at least that is what i read, by B. himself. Do not take the novel "Das Boot" for completely real, and surely not the film (rivets giving in, in a welded boat ?). For all i have read Johann's reaction seem badly exagerrated, as well general discipline aboard those boats was high, even if the tone itself was sometimes un-militarily. More a kind of respect regarding the other's capabilities. This does not mean that the captain did not indeed have a pistol, and was allowed to use it in cases of mutiny or critical situations. For what has been written, it was never used. Second, the 338 meters are from Tiesenhausen's log book, partly published in (among others) Frank's "Die Woelfe und der Admiral". The U-331 went down at a steep angle, so the bow may have been deeper than the central part of the boat, anyway a good 300 meters seem believable. Greetings, Catfish Last edited by Catfish; 01-31-12 at 09:28 AM.

01-30-12, 07:11 PM	#19
Hinrich Schwab Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 908 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	What does that have to do with my follow-up quote regarding "Das Boot"?

01-31-12, 04:47 AM	#20
Fregattenkapitän Watch Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Blankenberge, Belgium Posts: 28 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	I manage to dive to 306 meters with a VIIB. Damage started around 290 meters. I used ''blow ballast'' option and engines ''back emergency'' but noting helpt it keeps sticking at 306 meters. I got some screenshots, but i cant find the folder,

01-31-12, 09:36 AM	#23
Fregattenkapitän Watch Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Blankenberge, Belgium Posts: 28 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	Bilge rat@ I use the stock game got only the antilag file that i placed into the game noting else.