Sub classes?

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I wish they would have better modeled the S-boats myself the S-boats had a bit of variation depending on who had built them and when they where overhauled.Some had rear tubes and the the hull was are much more similar to the appearance of German U-boats where as the ones in SH4 are all of the original "Holland" design though he did not design them they still had his look.It would also have been nice to have the various yard boats have their distinct conning tower appearances because there was some variation between Electric Boat,Portsmouth,and Maintowoc boats.We are stuck with generic ones that is just me being nit picky.

Yup. This is the major problem with defining the S-class. I remember being surprised to learn that the 51 S-class submarines were anything but a homogenous, identical group and were in fact a class in name only. The S-class was actually made up of no less than six distinct groups that were built by four different manufacturers. The Navy considered all 51 boats a single class because they were all designed to meet roughly the same set of performance and military specifications. These specifications were approximately 800-1000 tons submerged displacement, length approximately 250 ft., surface speed 18-20 knots, submerged speed 14 knots for 1 hour and 10 knots for 3 hr, surface range radius of 5000 nautical miles, and 4 bow torpedo tubes (two reloads each). The Navy's reason for splitting up the design and construction was they felt Electric Boat was getting too politically powerful and was too fond of installing it's own patented (and sometimes inferior) gadgets in the boats.

Although ultimately proven to be flawed in many areas, both the S-1 and the S-3 designs were deemed satisfactory enough to warrant series production. The S-1 had better underwater maneuverability, was a fairly fast diver, and her single hull construction eased exterior maintenance. The S-3 had better engines and a longer range. In the end, the Navy felt that both types were nearly evenly matched, but ironically Electric Boat ended up with the bulk of the construction, mostly due to the much larger construction capacity of their yards.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Soviet Creeper

very, very true, but I was talking about their effectiveness against Battleships and large carriers. Ive been unable to sink one, even when all 4 hit and explode. Perhaps bad luck. I do overall perfer the Mark 10, and am even willing to spend the renown to get them once I "upgrade" to a larger sub. 6 Mark 10s however, will more often than not put down whatever Im trying to sink. I only wish they had a tad longer range. I hate fireing at a distance convoy, only to have them run out of fuel 20 yards from the large modern tanker I was aiming at

Attacking a large warship can be fun but you do so much more harm to the Japanese war effort by killing her supply lines of course in theory you should try to destroy any warship you find.If you follow a few simple rules when using Mk.14s you will not have near as much trouble with them though one could argue the accuracy of doing this because we know what to do from the start in the game to avoid the duds in real life they did not know until later in the war.I think the odds of sinking a BB with mk.10s is pretty low they can take alot of hits even from much more powerful mk.14s and not go down.

[Frank the tank]

Originally Posted by HW3

This was necessary because of this.



Why he was not charged with treason I do not know.

I believe you would have to prove intent to get home on a treason prosecution. Seemed to me he was just thoughtlessly stupid. So far there's no law against being as dumb as dirt.

[Nisgeis]

Wasn't he prosecuted after the war for some sort of irregularity or profiteering and went to jail? Something to do with some arms company he way involved in.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Wasn't he prosecuted after the war for some sort of irregularity or profiteering and went to jail? Something to do with some arms company he way involved in.

Yes. Infamous Kentucky Congressman Andrew J. May was convicted by a Federal Jury and served nine months in prison. The arms company he took bribes from apparently produced quite a few defective mortar shells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_J._May

On-the-take politicians. They look creepy and oily no matter the historical era.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Soviet Creeper

hate fireing at a distance convoy, only to have them run out of fuel 20 yards from the large modern tanker I was aiming at

How far away are you shootin?

[Stealhead]

20 yards beyond the maximum range of Mk10(though I bet they are cutting out a bit farther away than 20 yards) I am guessing my guess is that he is firing at them while in range but not realizing that the target is slowly sailing out of range.I used to have this problem way back when.If that is the case then his success rate could go up a bit if he gets new sub and starts using
Mk14s set to slow speed he is already accustomed to getting in to S-boat attack range with all that extra range of mk14s he should be good if the only error is firing from too far for MK10s to make it.