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Old 12-16-11, 08:35 AM   #1
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Default ICC says Muammar Gaddafi killing may be war crime

Never really thought about this but looking back at the final piece if video footage certainly gives one food for thought

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The death of Libya's former leader Muammar Gaddafi "creates suspicions" of war crimes, says the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.
Luis Moreno-Ocampo said the ICC was raising the concern with Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16212133
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Old 12-16-11, 09:17 AM   #2
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French sources and a German-French journalist claim Gaddafi got impaled with an iron rod.

Being determined or not forgiving a crime, is on thing. Cruelty for the sake of being cruel, is another one, no matter what the deliquent has done.

Originally, the way it was done in past times, impaling can be counted to some of the most cruel and inhumane things humans can do to other humans.
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What authority does the ICC have?
How many divisions does the ICC have?
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Old 12-16-11, 10:26 AM   #4
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What authority does the ICC have?
How many divisions does the ICC have?
Lybia's NTC have promised to allow ICC to investigate and prosecute the war crimes cases in Lybia, including those Gaddafi was sought for in the first place.

And I like your implication that military strength has anything to do with determination of cruelty or justice.

I also like the ICC's implication, of course, that war is somehow not a dirty business to begin with; so I hope this claim doesn't draw attention to the wrong things.
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Old 12-16-11, 10:57 AM   #5
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He was captured and then killed by a mob, seems to fit the bil for war crimes doesn't it.
Probably why they tried to claim he died in a gun battle until the videos emerged.
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It may very well be a war crime, but how do you prosecute a mob of irregulars?
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If you rob your thief is this a crime ? =]
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If you rob your thief is this a crime ? =]
If you do it by skinning him instead of emptying his pockets, I would say yes.

Not that I cry for Gaddafi, to simply kill him probably was the most elegant solution, instead of giving him a media platform at court, and wasting a lot of money and time and effort and distracting the discussion and relativiisng his deeds. After all he was a mass murderer, torturer and blood-dripping terrorist. But if the rumours are right about how they killed him, then I have a problem with the bastards having done that and would not mind to blow them to pieces as well.

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Gaddafis gruesome end was inevitable. The Libyan irregulars were just that, irregulars, they had no intention of obeying any word of law when it came down to gaining their revenge. Quite frankly I'd be very surprised if what they did to Daffy was their only war crime.
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The investigation is a waste of time, money and energy IMO.
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It may very well be a war crime, but how do you prosecute a mob of irregulars?
You wave your finger at them and go: you naughty naughty rebels
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Mussolini was a victim of war crimes as well then.
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Mussolini was a victim of war crimes as well then.
Possible.



Gaddafi had the chance to get out but no, so he bought his own miserable squalid end on himself.

Who cares the swine is dead.
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No bklawa to ICC.
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Mussolini was a victim of war crimes as well then.
If we had the same sort of mindset on war then that we have now then, well...Bomber Harris would not have lasted long, neither would have Le May. Patton would never have made General, and hundreds of thousands of US soldiers would have died invading Japan because of the risk of damage from the Atomic bombs.

It's all well and good to have laws on war, but when you're fighting for your survival you will throw every law out of the window if it means that you will win.
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